Hamilton Stripped of Win - Official

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Originally Posted by Tonieke

anyway..now they say..the driver cutting a chicane has to give back position and has to wait at least one corner before he can make another pass attempt correct ? so let's go back to Spa..same situation..but a 3th car involved (let's call him Robert for the occasion)...a car....that's also goin way faster than the leadcar and is close behind the 2 fighting for position...so what Lewis should have donne is...give back his position and not make a move on Kimi at La Source...in order to take away the advantage he gained correct ?

Now because of Kimi being slower than lewis and lewis being forced to stay behind the ferrari..and keeping in mind Robert is also goin a lot faster than Kimi..he gets behind lewis and makes a pass on him and eventualy also on the leadcar at la Source...Now I don't know..but would that not mean the rule FIA imposed on lewis disadvantage him towards Robert as he was not allowed to defend his position...because not allowed to pass Kimi himself ?

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No, because defending your position doesn't mean you have to overtake the car in front! You can simply take the inside line and cut off the following car.
A good race driver has to know how to defend by going the slowest possible, see Alonso in Imola 2005. ;)

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Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1

Anyone remember this:

http://www.tribuneindia.com/2003/20030419/sp1.jpg

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I did not know Ron ever had so much hair

(and the reason Kimi is smiling is because at Mac the drivers do not get to keep the trophies, they go into the Mac official trophy case, [unless LH now gets to keep his after crying about it last year,] so he was thinking, I am not giving away my trophy......)

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Originally Posted by ioan

No, because defending your position doesn't mean you have to overtake the car in front! You can simply take the inside line and cut off the following car.
A good race driver has to know how to defend by going the slowest possible, see Alonso in Imola 2005. ;)

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you mean take the inside like Kimi should have donne at la Source ? ;-)

and that's not realy the situation I was trying to explain..I said what If Robert was also a lot faster than the leading car..that fast he would be able to pass both the leading car and the car who is supposed to stay behind the leading car due to the new ruling ?

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Originally Posted by markabilly

I did not know Ron ever had so much hair

(and the reason Kimi is smiling is because at Mac the drivers do not get to keep the trophies, they go into the Mac official trophy case, [unless LH now gets to keep his after crying about it last year,] so he was thinking, I am not giving away my trophy......)

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exactly....it was not Kimi But Ron giving it away..like been said from the start...

Well, having just seen the Alonso/Klien 'incident' at Suzuka in 2005 being replayed on ITV, there is no doubt that there is a deep inconsistency in the Spa decision. OK, the matter has been 'clarified' for Monza, but does anyone seriously believe that we won't see the same thing happening again? If you do, I'd think again.

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Originally Posted by Tonieke

you mean take the inside like Kimi should have donne at la Source ? ;-)

and that's not realy the situation I was trying to explain..I said what If Robert was also a lot faster than the leading car..that fast he would be able to pass both the leading car and the car who is supposed to stay behind the leading car due to the new ruling ?

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I like the way your head works .
It's a good example to cite .

In my opinion , Lewis , in that scenario , would be obligated to stay behind Kimi , as he would still have to show he was not advantaged by the chicane cut .
If your Robert had stayed on track during the episode , it is possible he would have also been given the position , as Lewis would also have the advantage over him as well .
This , indeed where it would get sticky .
If Robert had gone the same route as Lewis , he would not be allowed to pass either , in the same way Lewis was not allowed to do so .

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Originally Posted by tamburello

Yes, and "before" the corner Michael was in front at the Hungaroring.

But, like I said, the difference is that Michael had been in front for several laps and was therefore leading.

Michael was still leading when he cut the chicane.

He therefore held the advantage before and during the Hungaroring chicane.

So, I ask again, any chance of anyone explaining how you can gain what you already have?

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so, if i have your theory correct, then the race leader (or positional leader in a dice) can simply ignore all corners and drive a straight line behind the kerbs because he gains no positional advantage?

what a lot of rot. he gains an obvious advantage by retaining a position he would otherwise have lost.

he was leading before the chicane and would have lost that lead had he not cut the chicane.

to everybody else watching F1, that is gaining an advantage.

the leader doesn't have to drive the racetrack like everybody else? please...

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Originally Posted by markabilly

I did not know Ron ever had so much hair

(and the reason Kimi is smiling is because at Mac the drivers do not get to keep the trophies, they go into the Mac official trophy case, [unless LH now gets to keep his after crying about it last year,] so he was thinking, I am not giving away my trophy......)

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The ITV coverage was hilarious. The first 10 or 15 minutes was devoted to showing Lewis gaining and advantage and showing current drivers agreeing that an offence was commited and then they have their armchair men disagreeing with it all :rotflmao: Got to see the event on a proper sized TV for the first time since I saw it on Saturday and it really is clear that Lewis gained an advantage and there is no way the penalty will be reversed. Is there somewhere I can make a bet on the penalty not being reversed because I want to make some serious money :laugh:

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Originally Posted by Daniel

:rotflmao:

The ITV coverage was hilarious. The first 10 or 15 minutes was devoted to showing Lewis gaining and advantage and showing current drivers agreeing that an offence was commited and then they have their armchair men disagreeing with it all :rotflmao: Got to see the event on a proper sized TV for the first time since I saw it on Saturday and it really is clear that Lewis gained an advantage and there is no way the penalty will be reversed. Is there somewhere I can make a bet on the penalty not being reversed because I want to make some serious money :laugh:

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On the contrary, to me it made it even more clear that the penalty was unfair and deeply inconsistent.

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

On the contrary, to me it made it even more clear that the penalty was unfair and deeply inconsistent.

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Perhaps the penalty was a bit heavy handed as I said but at the end of the day rules is rules and if you don't like the rules go and play in your sandpit on your own and you're guaranteed to win every time :)

Even Ron said that Charlie wasn't the man who was making the decisions so Ron should have put his thinking cap on and told Lewis to do something about the advantage he might have been perceived to have gained and make it soooo obvious that there was no advantage gained that the stewards couldn't penalise him. He would have won the race or at least got 2nd.....