[WRC] News & rumours (part II)

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Originally Posted by Gherid_lacksGPS

This. It's just hype, and its not just for XGames. He's trying to get a big name over in the states so that more American eyes begin to look at this wonderful sport, whether it be rallycross or stage. They see they cars, they go to youtube, fans are born. How exactly is that a bad thing? USA is a HUGE untapped market for this sport, and people outside the states just hate; ironically calling American's arrogant, stupid.... blah blah blah. Look in a ****ing mirror.

Also, TP is FAR from brain damaged. He has a super high IQ, graduated from HS at 16, WHILE making millions throwing his bike around as one of the elite MX riders in the world. The kid is always smiles and hasn't had to hold a real job in his life. He's the greatest spokesman a sponsor could ask for.

Is loeb a better driver? NO ****. Is TP a bad driver? Drink a glass of objectivity and get back to us.

TP wakes up in the morning and pisses excellence.

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No Gherid, NOT this. Those eyes are just looking a whatever spectacle that is placed in front of them., then zap the channel changer and surf more Made-for-TV crap, maybe Cops or American Idle (MY spelling)...As "promotion" became touted by newcomber/parasites in the sport here, events and participation has halved and costs gone up 300 to 400%....so all those supposed "new eyes" have not brought any tangible benefits to anybody I know in the sport.

And hate to break you heart but maybe American fans aren't stupid, but most "fans" I talk to are borderline delusional since they knowledge comes 100% from the Inter-web in a phenomenon called the Blind leading the Blind mixed with "one upping" bragging and exaggerating what "I seen on ..." to out hype your buddies, and that done the way it is done---is, if not arrogant, then it is an awfully amazing simulacrum of arrogance.. IE Clearly aggressively saying "_____________ (fill in blank: Block/Pastrami/Richard is right up there with the absolute top WRC drivers!!! America, Fawk yeah WAAAAAA!!!"

Graduating High School requires mainly the ability to wipe ones chins without too much outside assistance...Graduating early means maybe only sleeping in 1/2 your classes. I graduated a full year early in Seatttle in 1970 when the standards were not yet then watered down to the point that writing your name in all capital block letters is a passing grade.
And I slept in 1/4 of my classes.

Finally he was not anywhere near "one of the elite MX drivers in the world", He was flamed out probably before 20, and could not get a ride---too much spliff and too much "EXtreme" stunts ****ery.

When it was announced he was to be "Subaru Rally Team America Factory Driver" coming from professional moto-cross background my self, I expected him to "wheelie away from the other rich guys with one or maybe 2 seasons experience", and wanted to root for him.. What he did was shockingly disappointing..

Sure he's pleasant, friendly and seems happy, same with Ben Klock, but if you want to see how well they both drive and how they finish when there's 50-80 guys with somewhat comparable equipment go waste a ton of time looking the the Memorial Colin McRae Stages...To say their driving was appalling would win me this weeks Understatement of the Week Award and their stage time in the high 50s to mid 60s out of a clubbie field of 110 or so gives proof of what their driving is like---when there are dozens in similar spec cars..

I don't think it is anybody's place to lecture others about objectivity when there is a clear record, and an embarrassing one at that.

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

As an enthusiast, I don't care about transparency so long as the end result is something I want to see. At the moment, there's no way I'd say that about the WRC.

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I was thinking more transparency with the event organisers than with the public. From the sounds of things, the FIA only offered everyone a one-year contract - but they didn't say *why* they were only offering one year. I suspect that the plan is to get the organisational structure in place for 2013, assess it throughout the season, and then if everone is happy with it, they cans tart talking about more-permanent arrangements for 2014. But it would appear that the FIA is keeping that to themselves, which has hurt them.

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Originally Posted by janvanvurpa

"snip"...As "promotion" became touted by newcomber/parasites in the sport here, events and participation has halved and costs gone up 300 to 400%....so all those supposed "new eyes" have not brought any tangible benefits to anybody I know in the sport.

And hate to break you heart but maybe American fans aren't stupid, but most "fans" I talk to are borderline delusional since they knowledge comes 100% from the Inter-web in a phenomenon called the Blind leading the Blind mixed with "one upping" bragging and exaggerating what "I seen on ..." to out hype your buddies, and that done the way it is done---is, if not arrogant, then it is an awfully amazing simulacrum of arrogance.. IE Clearly aggressively saying "_____________ (fill in blank: Block/Pastrami/Richard is right up there with the absolute top WRC drivers!!! America, Fawk yeah WAAAAAA!!!""snip"

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Points well taken. My sentiments regarding HS education were weak. I simply have a problem with blatant personal attacks towards individuals based, seemingly, on nothing more than the soil they live on. Especially when said individuals are obviously quite competent and do indeed seem to be good people, doing good things.

Highlighted is something I've been wrestling with, regarding my perceptions of successful promotion. If well financed newcomers enter - promoters, sponsors and drivers - and such influx is said to be parasitic to the sport, wilting the grassroots and stunting accessibility, how does one correct that, while still providing growth? Honestly, I would like to know, because I don't, haha. I'm fairly new to rally, having only been introduced as a spectator since....2003, I think? I find it hard to believe that funding and pushing a brand with charismatic overtones will be a bad thing. You say that the typical American - and really, is it just American’s? - will flip through channels with overwhelming attention span, but is that really true?

The "flat biller" "EXTREME YO!!" argument is brought up a lot, with the entertainment/rock star approach and how it's a detriment to the sport/brand in the long run. But really, is it a detriment, and is the promotion in America really that heavy handed? There will always be the demographic “mark.” Perhaps they're just the ones we hear, because those who actually care are quietly amused by what they see and pursue it with legitimate interest; eventually volunteering, educating themselves, participating or otherwise supporting events. Perhaps, in the long run, it’s a case of diminishing returns, concerning growth; I really don’t know. I digress, it’s late and my dyslexia is kicking in.

I agree concerning TP, he’s been underwhelming at times, but for me more so in the sense of not sticking to something. He seems to show phenomenal potential with almost anything he does, it’s stupid. But he never really just sticks with one thing – except FMX – to be great at. Though, when your life is basically a video game you have that luxury, heh. The only thing he’s been consistent with is doing what he wants, which is usually stupid, entertaining **** that makes people cheer and earns him millions…can’t hate a man for that.

FWIW, TP is a big reason why I began following the Rally America series, thus wrc, thus erc, thus grc; I saw him race at Washougal when he was 15 and kept an eye on him. So, at least to a degree, long term fans and supporters can be had through the action sports/sponsored onslaught. I still think; put their faces on TV, up against the “real speed” and legitimate fans will get it.

And yeh, sorry for digressing. No cookie for me....and I love cookies.....

So Loeb in a factory built car will be challenging guys in privately run cars.
Why isn't he using already existing Citroen rallycross cars?

Now it's officially confirmed. Juha Salo will drive Proton S2000 in NORF and additionally also in Wales Rally GB (and before NORF also San Marino IRC). Salo saying that he will only drive for the victory and feels that he has all the possibilities to do so. Mellors has given instructions not to try too hard but to take advantage of the vast experience and be in the podium battle.

http://saloracing.com/wp-content/upl.../12Proton1.jpg

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Originally Posted by michpetter

So Loeb in a factory built car will be challenging guys in privately run cars.
Why isn't he using already existing Citroen rallycross cars?

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because then you would not have anything to cry about....

and were would be the fun in that ???

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Originally Posted by michpetter

So Loeb in a factory built car will be challenging guys in privately run cars.
Why isn't he using already existing Citroen rallycross cars?

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Who said it was a factory built car?

It is built by Hansen. You know, the guys who make the privately run rallycross cars.....

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Originally Posted by Juha_Koo

Now it's officially confirmed. Juha Salo will drive Proton S2000 in NORF and additionally also in Wales Rally GB (and before NORF also San Marino IRC). Salo saying that he will only drive for the victory and feels that he has all the possibilities to do so. Mellors has given instructions not to try too hard but to take advantage of the vast experience and be in the podium battle.

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Whoops, sorry - small correction. IRC San Marino is a seperate issue from this Proton project. San Marino is a prize from Pirelli due to winning FRC last season. Car isn't 100% sure yet, most propably Ford though.

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Originally Posted by tommeke_B

But after all, Loeb isn't doing anything bad with it I think?

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not at all tommeke imho.There is red bull beside this,Loeb maximum 1 year more,after circuit with his team which is backed up by red bull playstation,will you say no to your personal patron?Only a stupid would say no.

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Originally Posted by rallyfiend

Who said it was a factory built car?

It is built by Hansen. You know, the guys who make the privately run rallycross cars.....

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Originally Posted by Red bull

http://www.citroen-wrc.com/en/2012/n...b-looks-xl-la/

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"To maximise its chances of winning, Citroën Racing has developed a very special DS3 called XL, as in X Games and Loeb! Based on a car built by Hansen Motorsport, the seven-time World Rally Championship-winning team has introduced a healthy dose of Créative Technologie by making a series of modifications."

So can we except this car for customers??