It depends what you define 'better' as. Driving quickly or driving slower and getting to the end.
Again, I point to Robert's disability, I think what he does is amazing regardless of comparisons to other drivers.
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It depends what you define 'better' as. Driving quickly or driving slower and getting to the end.
Again, I point to Robert's disability, I think what he does is amazing regardless of comparisons to other drivers.
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the challenge in racing is driving to the end as fast as you can. there's no point in driving faster if that means you can't make it to the end.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomhlord
and i haven't yet seen any incident on video that can be directly related to his disability.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6nfUTNZHvs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8_URQNOEqA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDfcJ7eeiNg
https://youtu.be/l76MrnB7auc?t=3m41s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGig4q0ICTM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VCfvFZGwU8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jH8a0fNje2Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9TA55FiP0o
https://youtu.be/BO2tcBfPgL8?t=2m27s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvSFXErx448
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ese72keL21o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8k0kAvu_rKE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVY8HlrHq2A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBAbdsZFEc4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wysDkHFp6JE
most of the times he just brakes too late or goes too fast in a corner. the rest of his accidents are mostly because of a wrong line.
Don't you realize that most of his problems during this season are due to running own team?Quote:
Originally Posted by denkimi
well last year he rented a car and was useless as well... in the last 100 years rallying works like that, you either rent a car, have your own team or you find a sugar daddy to pay for you... then if you are worthy you get a chance to drive a works car and if you are good you get the chance to become a millionaire by driving...Quote:
Originally Posted by peter_85
Rallying is no different to any other profession if you look the big picture.
Kubica is fast of course, nobody denies that but he is not good enough to be in the sport at its highest level no matter how hard his fans cry...
Yeah, that's the reasons of majority of all rally crashes, not only Kubica's. We all know he makes mistakes, so what is the point in this? And now please prepare a similar compilation of Latvala, Neuville, Prokop or Ostberg crashes. You know, actually, you pick any wrc driver and have fun.Quote:
Originally Posted by denkimi
While I don't agree Kimi did a better job than Kubica - that is an impressive collection of carnage! He's the definition of 'on the limit'.Quote:
Originally Posted by denkimi
If you look at the big picture you need drivers that are filling the field. Like in every footballeague you have clubs that would never become champion but offcorse the league in every country needs it's numbers. In your world only Ogier and by God's gift Latvala deserves a place in the highest world of rallying but that isn't realistic you blind fool.Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
And we have to thank Rk for his commitment and spectacular driving. In the beginning i didn't like him, just a second Raikkonen i thought but how wrong was i... Seen RK on gravel and tarmac live, looking at his performance on stages compare the others, watching him on TV: damn what a fantastic driver and what must the whole WRC really happy with a driver like him involved in the highest level of rally.
And i think there are really not many, i can't even name 3 drivers right now, that could be deliver a better performance and/or speedwise than Kubica. Like so many times: how more people think the same about something how harder you choose the opposite. Sad isn't it...
Nice effort finding all those videos, I thought it was funny.
Yes but the point is Kubica's is having problems everytime, every rally, not sometimes like the drivers you mentioned. He had also M-Sport behind him in 2014 and screwed it up, now he has his own team but it's not good that either... I wonder what should be ok then.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mariusz
I partly agree with you. His commitment, his story, his skills are a value for WRC, but that doesn't mean that he doesn't build his path in the WRC in a completely wrong way. As it has been said billion of times, a rally doesn't finish at the end of the first stage or the first morning. You can be fast as much as you want but if you are not able to finish it keeping that speed without problems (unless you go slow like Prokop) than that speed has no sense, it doesn't count and at the end we can fairly say that it doesn't exist. It's good for spectators on that single stage, ok, but you don't win the game if you cheer the fans for one stage, you win it on sunday and he has always been far from it.Quote:
Originally Posted by jacko
At the beginning of his rally career he said that this is his way to learn where the limits are and he hadn't seen any reason to drive slow just to get points because it would be waste of time. And he actually didn't need points in last 2 years because he was not in a factory team. He needed points in WRC2 in 2013 and he delivered. But in ERC he was again driving very fast and making more mistakes as this was his was of learning. Before every rally he says he wants to drive in a good rhytm and without mistakes. And the pace is getting better and better, but mistakes are still there. I hope at some point he will stop increasing the pace and then there will be less mistakes.Quote:
Originally Posted by AL14
That is where he has made his bigger mistake in my opinion. Thinking that way. I've always believed in his potential but he should have used these 2 years in WRC to learn, make experience, and managing his pushing moments. A mid-long term plan. I'm pretty sure that now, with Matton and Wilson desperatly looking for new drivers he could have had his chance. It's sad because unlike Raikkonen or other privateers he had hopes and real chances due to his undeniable talent.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mariusz
He missed an angle though :pQuote:
Originally Posted by EightGear
https://youtu.be/7DhuY3F3qKE?t=54s
He is learning, just not as fast he drives. When he wants to deliver points by driving slow, he does. Then he increases the speed again and makes again mistakes. I see some progress in his consistency, but he really need to polish his limits sometimes as we had seen in Catalunya, when he crashes his lines are wrong. Factory drive is far away atm, but I wish him good luck anyway if he stays in rallying.Quote:
Originally Posted by AL14
Maybe it was a mistake, maybe not. The opposite is Evans' way as they started driving in WRC around the same time. And for now Evans looks to be in a better position.Quote:
Originally Posted by AL14
Yeah, Evans has been somehow the opposite, nice comparison. I think maybe it was too much opposite. :) Or maybe Evans is just too slow for WRC, and every approach could have brought him where he is now. That's not the case of Kubica in my opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mariusz
I'd like to see Kubica joining M-Sport for 2016. And before everyone dismisses the idea altogether because of its improbability, let's take a look at why it actually might just make sense for both Kubica and M-Sport.
It's no secret that Wilson is not happy with the overall performance of Evans and Tänak. It's not unlikely to see one (or perhaps both of them) not driving for M-Sport next year. With the drivers' market being pretty much set in stone (VW have all of their drivers signed, same with Hyundai, Citroën likely keeping at least Meeke), it's not a long list of names that Wilson can choose from. Most contenders in WRC2 have either signed for manufacturers such as VW and Toyota, others simply don't have enough upside to warrant a seat at the sport's highest level.
Enter Kubica. Yes, he's very prone to mistakes, which is something that most people would use as an excuse to overlook his talent altogether. However, it's easier (and more likely) to make a fast driver consistent than turning a consistent driver into a fast one. Evans being the opposite of Kubica has been mentioned previously in this thread, and I believe it is an excellent point. Using the two here, which is more likely -- turning Evans into someone who is consistently setting fastest stage times and challenging for rally wins, or helping Kubica overcome his troubles staying on the road?
Natural talent is hard to come by, but Kubica seems to possess just that. And with the help of a WRC manufacturer he could get the support needed to gain consistency. It's not just about not having to pay for the car and staff yourself, it's also about Kubica getting Wilson & Co. as trusted and experienced partners who could help him in the areas where he lacks certain things. Not being "on your own" could make a massive difference.
Simply being able to get into a car that is paid for, not having to find sponsorships all by yourself and worrying about having to use refurbished rims (see the Corsica thread where this was discussed) could help him tremendously. He would focus on simply driving and nothing else.
Kubica would be a gamble for M-Sport. A big one at that. But really, with no other drivers available (and even if Østberg becomes available I wouldn't pick him) isn't Kubica your best option?
Imagine Kubica being consistent in the WRC and how much damage he could do to his opponents. The skill and raw talent is certainly there, not to mention that M-Sport would have a likable and popular character driving their Fiesta, which would boost their image. Worst case scenario, M-Sport finish last in the manufacturers' championship, which is exactly where they are now with Evans/Tänak anyways. Best case scenario? Kubica finds consistency. And then things could get really interesting in the WRC...
So really, what do they have to lose?
http://i.imgur.com/XcqSTh5.gifQuote:
Originally Posted by rallyace
Oh, N.O.T... no faith in Kubica whatsoever? Not even a little? :p
No he is hopeless at the top of the sport, he would be perfect addition to the ERC though.Quote:
Originally Posted by rallyace
Whilst I suspect you mean that sarcastically, I think that would be a great idea of him: more tarmac events, slightly slower and at a level he is arguably proven at - would be a realistic goal and be the right place for him to improve rallying.Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
With the M-Sport seat, Kubica's main backer is Lotos and not sure if they'd be able to sponsor alongside Castrol on the Fords. And, if not, I'm sure Tanak is bringing more money through his mother sponsors. And you couldn't have both of them as the repair bills would be unfathomable.
RK is beating the competition with one hand tied behind back.
I am curious to see the top dogs competing against him with one hand tied behind their back.
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well you see reality works differently... that is why we have special olympics.Quote:
Originally Posted by danon
That is literally stupid. Think that one through again. Kubica has an impairment, it's not chopped off for God's SakeQuote:
Originally Posted by danon
Who has it - does it!Quote:
Originally Posted by N.O.T
Edit: NO LIMITS - IMPOSSIBLE IS JUST A WORD -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rs7Uyk4R0vw
It was a metaphor - with a hand tied behind back (obstacle).Quote:
Originally Posted by leighton323
At least Zanardi was retired due to mechanical problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by danon
most of his problems are due to lack of budget, and hitting too much stuff. probably are those 2 problems connected.Quote:
Originally Posted by peter_85
the point is that it is not because of his disability that he crashes so often. his car control is fine.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mariusz
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Originally Posted by denkimi
LOLz son...
Lot of news & rumours on this thread lately.:o Btw, there’s a thread for Kubica.
http://m.autosport.com/news/report.p...still-in-limbo no agreement on the dates yet.
Up to 14 events, yesh!
The Rally of Australia at the end of the championship will be the advertised end. The interests in China speak louder.
Bad, bad and bad finnish at overseas. Super error, entry list will be poor :(
And the question is: Ogier champ at germany or china?
last time something like this happened was back in 1999/2003/2005(China Round/14 Rounds & Australia @ end of season, respectively)
Australia get the final round; they shouldn't even have a WRC round, it should be NZ. RallyGB is far too early - no chance of any 'wintry weather'; really needs to be end of Nov/ early December.
I agree, I don't like Australia as final round, I think GB round is perfect for that...
Yves Matton said at the RTBF (Belgian television) that the Australian round this year was in September, because it isn't very hot then. Next year in November it will be extremely hot there...
you're not the only ones, i dont like it too. and NZ should be back!