[WRC] News & rumours (part IV) 2016

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7th December 2016, 09:17
Sulland

Nasser & Co har bigger budget than VW these days :-)

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Originally Posted by bluuford

You have to keep in mind that VW so far was the team with nearly unlimited budget. Remember what happened in GB? All cars had transmission issuses and they solved it overnight. So, and if you look how many parts they are homologating over year, then with semi private team, there is always risk that official teams can do more or teams with more cars can do more. Imagine M-Sport having 5 cars like Wilson is dreaming? And VW only two, that means 2.5 times more testing during real competition. So, in short term, Polo is probably fastest.. but long term? Do they still have all the technical staff or some have already left to other teams? this is unknown factor and risk.
7th December 2016, 09:32
Andre Oliveira

DMACK @MSA_BRC champ @ElfynEvans will take part in this weekend’s Bettega Memorial rally at Bologna @MotorShowBo in a Fiesta WRC
7th December 2016, 09:39
tomhlord

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andre Oliveira

DMACK @MSA_BRC champ @ElfynEvans will take part in this weekend’s Bettega Memorial rally at Bologna @MotorShowBo in a Fiesta WRC

Cool, but damn, was hoping for WRC news.
7th December 2016, 09:42
Andre Oliveira

He will be at Monte-Carlo
7th December 2016, 09:43
Eric

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Originally Posted by smsgrafica

Ogier -> Citroen/Ford/VW
JML -> Toyota
Mikkelsen -> Ford/VW

Plenty of seats available!

In my head M-sport is Mikkelsens only chance. VW is only happening with Ogier onboard. If Ogier signs with M-sport I'm not to sure we will see Mikkelsen in 2017
Toyota - Closed
Hyundai - Closed
Citroen - Closed (only open for Ogier)
M-sport - One seat (or pay up)
VW - Only Ogier
7th December 2016, 09:45
Doon

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eric

In my head M-sport is Mikkelsens only chance. VW is only happening with Ogier onboard. If Ogier signs with M-sport I'm not to sure we will see Mikkelsen in 2017
Toyota - Closed
Hyundai - Closed
Citroen - Closed (only open for Ogier)
M-sport - One seat (or pay up)
VW - Only Ogier

What about Ogier and Mikkelsen at VW?
7th December 2016, 10:06
RS

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Originally Posted by Doon

Ogier has driven the 3 available cars. If the VW IS the quickest (which it will be), there is no way the Ogier will settle for a Fiesta with Mikkelsen in a VW.

Personally (not that he would care what I think) I would think higher of Ogier if he moved to a different team and made them into a winner.

It depends what his career goals are.. to make the most money, take the most wins, or take on a bit more of a challenge. I think the latter, ie. a move to MSport would be more interesting for us fans.
7th December 2016, 10:11
tc10a

Just my personal opinion: If the Fiesta would have been on the pace of the Polo, the Ogier - Msport Deal would have been done very quickly, especially with all the testing schedule before monte. The longer it takes, the more it becomes unlikely. Looks like Ogier is really waiting to get everything in place with VW again.
7th December 2016, 10:41
Doon

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Originally Posted by tc10a

Just my personal opinion: If the Fiesta would have been on the pace of the Polo, the Ogier - Msport Deal would have been done very quickly, especially with all the testing schedule before monte. The longer it takes, the more it becomes unlikely. Looks like Ogier is really waiting to get everything in place with VW again.

Exactly! Ogier's career goal is to beat Loeb's records, therefore he doesn't want a challenge wants the fastest car. I would rather see him take a risk and driver the Fiesta.
7th December 2016, 10:56
SubaruNorway

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Originally Posted by bluuford

You have to keep in mind that VW so far was the team with nearly unlimited budget. Remember what happened in GB? All cars had transmission issuses and they solved it overnight. So, and if you look how many parts they are homologating over year, then with semi private team, there is always risk that official teams can do more or teams with more cars can do more. Imagine M-Sport having 5 cars like Wilson is dreaming? And VW only two, that means 2.5 times more testing during real competition. So, in short term, Polo is probably fastest.. but long term? Do they still have all the technical staff or some have already left to other teams? this is unknown factor and risk.

That was just a simple issue with the cv joint boot coming off due to a new clamp type
7th December 2016, 10:59
EstWRC

in other news, strong rumours that Tänak and Mõlder arent working together anymore...dunno the exact reasons at the moment but the most likely replacement is Kruuda's co-driver Järveoja.

i really hope it isnt true because this year they worked really good together and in my eyes Tänak would be back in the same situation like he was in 2012 or 2015... a lot of learning to do for the new co-driver and i think this learning curve may come with some costly mistakes.

i really hope it is just a rumour.
7th December 2016, 11:02
Andre Oliveira

Järveoja was codriving Ott in Walters arena test
7th December 2016, 11:05
EstWRC

yes but the rumour didnt start there...Raigo said that he isnt needed at every test...he has missed a test previously too.
7th December 2016, 11:36
OldF

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Originally Posted by Allez Andruet

Well, he didn't say that to be honest. Actually Tommi said that "I can't tell you anything yet, but it's clear that Jari-Matti is very likely to drive for us." So basically you can take that as a done deal.

He didn’t say “likely” (= todennäköisesti) but
”JML is a very strong candidate to join us. However we will look at all the driver options until the end”.
7th December 2016, 11:52
Fast Eddie WRC

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Originally Posted by GigiGalliNo1

Source tells me that Red Bull will have a two car team in 2017 with Ogier and Ostberg. 100% confident on this so here we go!

In what car ?
7th December 2016, 11:55
Lundefaret

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Originally Posted by OldF

He didn’t say “likely” (= todennäköisesti) but
”JML is a very strong candidate to join us. However we will look at all the driver options until the end”.

I think what Tommi is saying is that he will wait to sign Latvala until it is 110% certain that Ogier goes else where ;)
7th December 2016, 11:59
OldF

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lundefaret

I think what Tommi is saying is that he will wait to sign Latvala until it is 110% certain that Ogier goes else where ;)

That’s how I would interpret it also.:)
7th December 2016, 12:23
Eric

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Originally Posted by Lundefaret

I think what Tommi is saying is that he will wait to sign Latvala until it is 110% certain that Ogier goes else where ;)

Ogier has already told Toyota he won't go there.
Im guessing Toyota will not say anything before the contract with Latvala is 100% clear and signed. But thats only a matter of time.
7th December 2016, 12:39
spyros

Ogier is the best at the moment,very talented,very profesional and so on,but is arogant and egoist and thats why he's not even pick the phone to Matton (remember when he's left the team) so no citroen for him and thats why he said about 2 options Ford or private VW.In my country we say that if someone goes for all then lost everything.
7th December 2016, 13:08
Teardrop

Quote:

Originally Posted by spyros

Ogier is the best at the moment,very talented,very profesional and so on,but is arogant and egoist and thats why he's not even pick the phone to Matton (remember when he's left the team) so no citroen for him and thats why he said about 2 options Ford or private VW.In my country we say that if someone goes for all then lost everything.

I agree that Ogier might be a bit arrogant. But it is not appropriate to make mistakes with other things: in 2011 the Citroen was incorrect with Ogier and not the opposite, as it was suggested by you.
7th December 2016, 13:19
RallyTyger

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Originally Posted by GigiGalliNo1

Source tells me that Red Bull will have a two car team in 2017 with Ogier and Ostberg. 100% confident on this so here we go!

Ostberg stated at least twice, in interviews, that he will be driving a 2017 WRC car next year, and that he already tested that car - but he is not allowed to reveal any details yet. We know he tested the fiesta... is it possible he tested the vw completely secret without anyone noticing?
7th December 2016, 13:39
Andre Oliveira

Heard that Østberg was in TMR facilities.
7th December 2016, 13:48
bassist

Just heard that Santa is in Northern Finland.
7th December 2016, 13:56
ruesluporp

Quote:

Originally Posted by spyros

Ogier is the best at the moment,very talented,very profesional and so on,but is arogant and egoist and thats why he's not even pick the phone to Matton (remember when he's left the team) so no citroen for him and thats why he said about 2 options Ford or private VW.In my country we say that if someone goes for all then lost everything.

Always the same vaseline: Ogier is arrogant... (and egoist). Is it because you are fan of another driver (who did not win the WRC championship since 4 years)?
7th December 2016, 13:57
Doon

I've heard Ogier has signed for Citroen, which has made Meeke jump ship to reside in a VW alongside Mikkelsen.
7th December 2016, 14:20
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7th December 2016, 14:58
spyros

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Originally Posted by ruesluporp

Always the same vaseline: Ogier is arrogant... (and egoist). Is it because you are fan of another driver (who did not win the WRC championship since 4 years)?

in the past i used to be fan of Juha and Colin but now in my age (im 50)i'm not fan of anyone, i love the sport and i want to be like it was in 90s.I missed personalitys like those of Juha,Carlos etc...
7th December 2016, 17:59
Fast Eddie WRC

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Originally Posted by Doon

I've heard Ogier has signed for Citroen, which has made Meeke jump ship to reside in a VW alongside Mikkelsen.

Well done, that has to be the craziest rumour yet...
7th December 2016, 18:03
Fast Eddie WRC

@absoluterally
Podcast will be 24 hours later than normal this week! Sorry, we think it's worth the wait.

Hmmm, could the WRC saga be coming to a conclusion ??
7th December 2016, 18:29
Simmi

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC

@absoluterally
Podcast will be 24 hours later than normal this week! Sorry, we think it's worth the wait.

Hmmm, could the WRC saga be coming to a conclusion ??

I enjoy listening to the podcast but I think you're giving them way too much credit there.
7th December 2016, 18:49
GravelBen

Quote:

Originally Posted by Doon

I've heard Ogier has signed for Citroen, which has made Meeke jump ship to reside in a VW alongside Mikkelsen.

I heard that Citroen has bought the 2017 VW cars and will be running them with Citroen badges and hoping nobody notices the difference.
7th December 2016, 18:54
EightGear

I heard the expansion of Tommi's farm is secretly just for extra cows.
7th December 2016, 18:56
Franky

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Originally Posted by EightGear

I heard the expansion of Tommi's farm is secretly just for extra cows.

No, they figured out that it's financially wiser to start production of Santas. Rumour says that Tommi saw Rare Exports short films
7th December 2016, 19:46
Sulland

Quote:

Originally Posted by EightGear

I heard the expansion of Tommi's farm is secretly just for extra cows.

Mad Cow(s)?
7th December 2016, 20:21
cali

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sulland

Mad Cow(s)?

Finnish Mad Cows

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7th December 2016, 21:02
Fast Eddie WRC

Quote:

Originally Posted by Simmi

I enjoy listening to the podcast but I think you're giving them way too much credit there.

Thought they might just be aware of something coming from M-Sport...
7th December 2016, 23:50
itix

This thread is just becoming a decadent display of sarcasm and I love it... But as a friend of order, we have the bar talk thread for that.
7th December 2016, 23:54
bassist

What`s your take on this Circus then itix. Can you sort the wheat from the chaff?
7th December 2016, 23:58
itix

Not really. Someone (Seb_ch maybe) said that they don't trust anything until rally Monte Carlo. I'm kind of willing to subscribe to that notion as well. This is becoming a right bloody guessing game.

When we know, we know. Until then everything is just speculation.

Edit: no it was you bassist.
8th December 2016, 00:16
Rally Power

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Originally Posted by itix

This thread is just becoming a decadent display of sarcasm and I love it... But as a friend of order, we have the bar talk thread for that.

You’re right Itix. I was about to say that’s great to have Makinen farming cows, as cows tend to oversteer instead of understeer, but now I won’t…

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