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I heard that Justin Wilson got served by Dan P. and that NHL backed out of a cover photo shoot for a magazine. The absence of Walker was a big topic of discussion.Quote:
Originally Posted by weeflyonthewall
On a positive note, the cars did run much better than last year although there were three less than showed up in 2007. We also didn't get the news of losing a manufacturer this year! Now that is progress and the momentum is clearly building.
No, I'm just a bit ticked off at all the "expert" opinions being thrashed about by people who have never set foot in a paddock and talked to anyone.Quote:
Originally Posted by garyshell
My point was IF you were part of the series, you would know what was going on behind the scenes, including the private lives of those of...US who make this show happen.
We have no problem with people expressing their zeal for Champcar racing, but for those who have never put on a headset or turned a wrench, give it a break.
The bashing of those here who are part of the series has gone on for some time, and the regulars who presented factual information, were chased out or bashed for being a "doom and gloomer" when all they presened was facts.
The good news, is the product on the track remains pretty good. The dumb comments and bashing those with insight, not so good.
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Originally Posted by indycool
As EE indicated, the CART PPG world series became the PPG Indycar Series when an greement was reached by CART and IMS in the early 90's. PPG was a title sponsor before the name was changed to Indycar series. I can send you some old stickers if you like....
You keep indicating that PPG got to use this and that...PPG was just the series sponsor. PPG swas the title sponsor for CAR, then the PPG Indycar series, and did indeed have a pole award at Indy. PPG did not subsidize the entire feild...they meerly paid to be the title sponso0r. I'm not sure how many different ways we have to tell you that your facts are scrambled up.
When the IRL was formed, IMS wanted to suspend the agreement, which was done later than 1996...in fact I though it was 98 or so, becuase the agreement stipulated that the IRL could not use the name for five years. I know that the IRL did not use Indycar in 2001, and in fact I thought it was more like 2003/04.
What happens next???
A pretty damn good line up of drivers in an excellent racing series!!
It was 10 years, wasn't it? They couldn't use indycar.com or call the series Indycar, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by Colt21
Colt, you're still just plain inaccurate.
CART used the name Indy car for their cars right out of the box at their opener in Phoenix. Even though it went back and forth for a couple years whether CART would pay points for the Indianapolis 500 or not, and some CART people wanted to call it the CART PPG Indy Car World Series, it never was officially so because PPG bought the series rights and insisted otherwise.
While the points decision was the leverage CART used against PPG, PPG went to IMS and made the deal for the $100,000 pole award, $5,000 for each starter in the "500" and rings for all 33 starters in the "500," becoming the largest corporate sponsor of the "500." The $5,000 for each starter was similar to and formatted the same as the $3,000-plus PPG put in the purse for EVERY CART race at the time. And they announced at the time that points would be paid and they'd be PPG Indy Car World Series points.
The late Jim Chapman, representing PPG, outflanked CART's John Frasco, and CART couldn't gripe because PPG was giving it a TON of money. Some CART people, including Frasco, were livid because they wanted to bring IMS to its knees and make the "500" a CART race but had to stew in their own juices because Chapman's agreement in Indy fizzled out any leverage for a split. THEN came what some call CART's glory years.
Later, Chapman retired, then passed away and PPG Automotive Finishes head Fred Rhue retired and PPG eased out of the sport, but deserves all the credit for holding the sport together without a split in the '80s.
The use of the term "Indy car" was suspended for five years from EITHER series' use as part of the settlement of a lawsuit, I believe, in December of 1997. After that five-year period, the IRL could use it and CART could not as part of the settlement. That's when CART started developing the name Champ Car.
with names that couldn't get you laid in a whorehouse with $100 dollar bills taped to your forehead :)Quote:
Originally Posted by jimispeed
Sorry Colt, but for quite a while now, the comments and "bashing" rarely has anything to do with the on track product (excluding RD and some other silly issues, like on board starters). I've never been allowed to be chased out by anyone here and have only been stunned by the new posters who defend CCWS blindly without ever even engaging in proper debate or exchange. And personally, while i had many friends on crews back when I was in the paddocks every day, it was NEVER a guy with a wrench or a headset (unless a team owner) that was allowed to know anything of substance behind the scenes. Indeed, we used to laugh that if you wanted to know something, the best source was Nadia or Wendy Gabers or some crew members girlfriend, who only learned of stuff from wandering and gossiping. I have no idea who's gettig married as I've been out of CCWS for a few years and would actually be interested to know, so from a guy who was in those paddocks, why don't you share with the rest of the class.Quote:
Originally Posted by Colt21
...Unlike that other series with international celebrities like Ed Carpenter & Hideki Mutoh?Quote:
Originally Posted by heelntoe
GMAFB!!!
They didn't use indycar.com for 10 years even though they owned it. IC I can't lay my eye on anything to back me up, but I'm thinking it was 10 years. It wasn't until after the 10 year period when they started calling it the Indy Car Series.Quote:
Originally Posted by indycool