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Originally Posted by Rollo

http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/stats/tax_str...1974to1990.pdf

Over the period, tax rates FELL dramatically not rose, and yet jobs departed Britain's shores. History has yet again proved you wrong.

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I doubt Tony will accept HMRC's figures, as he probably believes it to be a criminal organisation that should be charged with STEALING our money.

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Originally Posted by Rollo

Over the period, tax rates FELL dramatically not rose, and yet jobs departed Britain's shores. History has yet again proved you wrong.

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If you would actually read his comments rather than attack everything he says, you would realize that history has proben nothing in regards to his comment. Where does history show that increasing taxes on those earning more increase the average workers wages?


You seem to be under the impression that if we place more taxes on the wealthy and the corporations then everything will be taken care of. Do you really think the upper level management won't simply cut more of the average workers wage to compensate for the increased taxes? In the case of the corporations they will generally either do the same or increase the price of the products sold and pass the tax increases on to the consumer. So you will still have that generation without work but now their purchasing power with their government benefits has decreased.

I know airshifter did not address this to me but allow me to quote part of his post to make a comment related to our topic:

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Originally Posted by airshifter

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You seem to be under the impression that if we place more taxes on the wealthy and the corporations then everything will be taken care of.

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Increasing taxes - in other words: everybody paying their fair share of taxes, will not take care of everything but it will be a good start.

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Originally Posted by airshifter

Do you really think the upper level management won't simply cut more of the average workers wage to compensate for the increased taxes? In the case of the corporations they will generally either do the same or increase the price of the products sold and pass the tax increases on to the consumer.

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There is a perfect example of why things are wrong. Why punish the average worker or the consumer to make up for those extra million$$$$ "lost" when they were told to pay their taxes just like I also did?

That reeks of greed and a lack of social consciousness.

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Originally Posted by Rollo

The reasons underlying the OECD report have very little to do with taxation policy but rather punishing labour itself.

Admittedly Britain went through a rapid period of privatisation in the 1980s which did make those companies far more efficient than they were, but it didn't to a thing for the manufacturing industries which existed, not the firms which supported manufacturing.
Nor did privatisation do anything for the people who had been displaced, and now thrity years later we have particularly in the north of England and Scotland a generation of people who've grown up where no-one in the family has a job.

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http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/stats/tax_str...1974to1990.pdf

Over the period, tax rates FELL dramatically not rose, and yet jobs departed Britain's shores. History has yet again proved you wrong.

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There are other actions by the government that hurt job creation along with Taxation.

Tax rate fell in general but rules and regulations(Which in reality is a form or taxation) rose considerably.....So History again has proven me correct.

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Originally Posted by race aficionado

I know airshifter did not address this to me but allow me to quote part of his post to make a comment related to our topic:



Increasing taxes - in other words: everybody paying their fair share of taxes, will not take care of everything but it will be a good start.



There is a perfect example of why things are wrong. Why punish the average worker or the consumer to make up for those extra million$$$$ "lost" when they were told to pay their taxes just like I also did?

That reeks of greed and a lack of social consciousness.

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Their fair share?

So you are in favor of a Flat Tax....Cool

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Originally Posted by anthonyvop

Their fair share?

So you are in favor of a Flat Tax....Cool

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Did I say that?

I don't know if that was an attempt of humor but no, I did not say that.

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Originally Posted by anthonyvop

Tax rate fell in general but rules and regulations(Which in reality is a form or taxation) rose considerably.....

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Again No.

The transport, coal, iron and steel, banking, electricity, equity trading, financial services telecommunications, public housing, airlines etc were all DEregulated in Britain in the 1980s, which is precisely the opposite of what you've said.

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Originally Posted by anthonyvop

So History again has proven me correct.

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Only in the eyes someone who is either accidentally or willfully ignorant or an abject liar; so you're one of those three but I don't know which one.

I only know mark youdao. so nice/

The ever growing gap between the highest and lowest paid is not a result of government policy or taxation; it's simply one small group of people rewarding themselves at the expense of others because they can.

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Originally Posted by Rollo

Only in the eyes someone who is either accidentally or willfully ignorant or an abject liar; so you're one of those three but I don't know which one.

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Given the well-known stories about the gun and his attendance of university, I would plump for the latter.