Kimi's future - No racing in 2010?

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Originally Posted by henners88

So lets get this straight, we're not looking at the skill set of a driver, purely the cost of their wages? :eek:

I think the real question you need to ask yourself Tamb is, were Ferrari so desperate for a replacement for the great MS, that they were willing/stupid enough to offer that kind of money in the first place? If you are dull enough to believe that drivers are measured against their desired salary, then you have a very naive view of modern Formula One IMO.

It almost seems that Ferrari fans are bitter about Kimi purely because he was on nearly double what the rest of the field were on. This is a stupid amount of money, but at the end of the day you are only worth what people are willing to pay at the time.

I have a question: If the salaries of Massa and Raikkonen were reversed and Massa was the top paid driver, would Felipe be as popular with the tifosi as he is now? Lets not forget he is the big underachiever of the 2, but due to his friendly personality, he is popular. I have a feeling he would recieve similar resentment from the fans which suggests that its not about results at all, its purely money orientated. :)

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It is not purely about the size of the salary, but the value recieved in return.

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Originally Posted by snellman

and we can't stand you, stop denying it like a damn child, you know he is one of the best at what he do. At least he can stay professional no matter what, unlike the other whiny-assed spoiled brats

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Bullsh!t. Besides a short stint with Sauber he has driven in the top teams (McLaren & Ferrari) for about 7 or 8 years and only won one WDC and a dozen or so wins. He's average.

He aint in the league of the best (ie: Clark, Senna, Prost, Fangio, Schumacher etc etc).

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AUTOSPORT understands...that Raikkonen is set to sign a contract with Citroen in the next 24 hours.

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http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/80382

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Originally Posted by henners88

Well one WDC and 2 WCC's in 3 seasons is not bad really is it?

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I'm surprised a man of apparent intelligence cannot get to grips with this basic concept.

There is more to it than money or results.

Kimi has not added anything of value since his championship win. His input to the 2008 WCC victory was marginal after Spain. Indeed, it could be said that he lost Ferrari more points than they could have won. If anything, his half-arsed driving cost his team-mate a WDC.

He has sat back and has not been a positive force on Ferrari. No leadership, no direction. Utterly pathetic.

For that reason, Ferrari got rid.

While they fecked up by employing him in the first place, at least they have seen sense now.

Ask yourself this....if you didn't provide the results your boss is expecting you to get on the salary he is paying you, how long before your arse is out the door? If the answer is 12 months, then you've got a very tolerant, non-business minded boss.

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Originally Posted by tamburello

Kimi has not added anything of value since his championship win...He has sat back and has not been a positive force on Ferrari. No leadership, no direction.

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I'd go along with that. The contrast with MS is a stark one.

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Originally Posted by tamburello

While they fecked up by employing him in the first place, at least they have seen sense now.

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Ferrari were rather short-sighted during 1996-2006. They didn't have anyone lined up to "replace" MS and that ultimately, and somewhat inevitably, led them to Kimi's door. Getting rid of Kimi and replacing him with Alonso may be a fix, but they're still looking to buy-in success, rather than develop it, at least on the driver front.

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Originally Posted by tamburello

I'm surprised a man of apparent intelligence cannot get to grips with this basic concept.

There is more to it than money or results.

Kimi has not added anything of value since his championship win. His input to the 2008 WCC victory was marginal after Spain. Indeed, it could be said that he lost Ferrari more points than they could have won. If anything, his half-arsed driving cost his team-mate a WDC.

He has sat back and has not been a positive force on Ferrari. No leadership, no direction. Utterly pathetic.

For that reason, Ferrari got rid.

While they fecked up by employing him in the first place, at least they have seen sense now.

Ask yourself this....if you didn't provide the results your boss is expecting you to get on the salary he is paying you, how long before your arse is out the door? If the answer is 12 months, then you've got a very tolerant, non-business minded boss.

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You could say it was Ferrari that took more points from Kimi. Remember Monaco 2008, Silverstone 2008, France 2008, the whole 2009 season. Not forgetting the Canada inciddent. And almost stopping in the middle of the track to let Massa pass in China.

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Originally Posted by henners88

So lets get this straight, we're not looking at the skill set of a driver, purely the cost of their wages? :eek:

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Do you understand the meaning of "return on investment". No one is comparing him purely on the cost of his wage. The comparison is on his performance measured against that cost.

Gary

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Originally Posted by DexDexter

Hmm..Kimi statistics are pretty impressive, compared to lets say Mario Andretti or any other driver from your neck of the woods.

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Wow, nice little bit of xenophobic attitude. Who said ANYTHING about where he was from? I could care less if he is from Mars. Or where Mario is from either (BTW you might want to check where Mario is ACTUALLY from.) I just don't see Mr. Monotone as all that impressive. Sure he has had his moments. But at the end of the day, those moments have been to few and far between. He is a good driver, no doubt. But a great one? Hardly.

Gary

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Originally Posted by tamburello

It is not purely about the size of the salary, but the value recieved in return.

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Damn it tamburello, we gotta stop thinking alike. People will talk.

Cheers, my friend.

Gary

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Originally Posted by garyshell

Do you understand the meaning of "return on investment". No one is comparing him purely on the cost of his wage. The comparison is on his performance measured against that cost.

Gary

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I think Kimi and his manager grifted the Ferrari team.

Has anyone else ever heard of a team paying an entire year's salary to a driver for not competing?