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He said they were probably OK. In the time it would have taken McLaren to contact Charlie and for him to say it's probabl OK Lewis would have been well around the next corner and to a certain extent the offence was already committed and couldn't be taken back.Quote:
Originally Posted by Knock-on
I've said time and time again I can understand why McLaren feel hard done by but I still think an offence was committed.........
I say again that McLaren were wrong to contact Charlie on this. He is not responsible for the judgement. I think in this sort of case where a driver cuts a corner the onus is on him to clearly show that he's not gained an advantage out of it. It really is that simple.Quote:
Originally Posted by Knock-on
Hamitlon was not "leading" at Magny Cours in the same sense as Schumi had been "leading" at the Hungaroring. Hamilton was not clearly in front....his car may have been ahead but it had only been there for about 1 second so would have been considered to have been overtaking. Michael had been in front for a good 20+ laps.Quote:
Originally Posted by PolePosition_1
There is a difference.
The idiots are also on the Mclaren pit-wall.Quote:
Originally Posted by Knock-on
If they had any doubt, and there is evidently a lot of doubt as to what is fair and what is not, then they should have drilled it into the head of their star player and themselves that they make damn sure that they didn't even need to ask the question to the Race Director.
They are idiots for asking the Race Director when he doesn't, and never has, been responsible for penalties.
They are idiots for risking a penalty, especially if your theory of the FIA seeking any way to punish them is to hold any water. Why push your luck if the powers that be will clobber you for every infraction?
Sometimes, Knockie, it would help you to see that the team you so evidently love are their own worst enemies.
I had numerous seasons watching the Scuderia implode, explode and generally fall flat on their face due to their own, only to obvious, failings.
How many times Daniel.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel
It's not what you think they should do and your opinion but what the rules say, what protocol states and what precedent is in place.
All of which McLaren followed.
If the Stewards were to investigate straight away, then McLaren would have been told of it and could have done a drive through or let Kimi pass. At that point, they could have discussed it with the Stewards but that procedure, which is in the regulations wasn't followed so they accepted the Race Directors word that they were OK. Not probably OK but OK.
It was after the race that Charlie referred it to the Stewards.
Those are the facts. Can we stick to them and not opinion and what you think should have happened.
Do you have a link for that?Quote:
Originally Posted by Knock-on
First, I don't Love McLaren. I support them along with Williams and Honda.Quote:
Originally Posted by tamburello
I greatly admire Lewis's ability behind the wheel and have been privileged to to see him coming up through the formulas.
However, Love, and in particular blind Love is reserved for the Tifosi :)
Historically, teams have always directed communication with the Race Director. If there is an incident, the Race Director forwards it to the Stewards to investigate and it comes up on the monitors. At this stage the Team talks with the Stewards.
This was the same when you were working for Renault as it is today. McLaren were following the procedure that everyone's followed for years.
I can see with hindsight that it would have been better to wait until after the next corner to overtake Kimi because it was never an issue of whether he was going to get past. He could have done it anytime but he's a racer and took the first opportunity and complied with the standard procedure after gaining an advantage.
I can see with hindsight that they shouldn't believe a word Charlie Whiting says as he says one thing and does another.
But hindsight is a wonderful thing that isn't available in the middle of a race. We had a superb battle and yet again, it's been ruined by the FIA's incompetence.
Lets see how the appeal goes.
*sigh*Quote:
Originally Posted by Knock-on
yeah guys can we stick to knock on's version of the truth and his assumptions rather than what we see as the facts and what we see as logical? :p
From what I can remember the issue of Lewis cutting the chicane was shown as being investigated by the stewards BEFORE the end of the race. So please can we stick to the facts old bean?
Like I said the race director is not responsible for the judgement so why ask him? When this sort of thing happens the drivers needs to concede the advantage quickly so as to avoid being penalised and not when the team has done the wrong thing and gone chatting to the person who isn't even in charge of making the decision to see if it's OK.
The teams have not always directed communication with the Race Director with regards to incidents that the Stewards look into.Quote:
Originally Posted by Knock-on
The Stewards are well above the Race Director when it comes to deciding if they are going to investigate an incident and do not need the Race Director to forward it to them. They can decide to investigate if the matter is referred or not.
In laymans terms, the Stewards are the referee, the Race Director merely a Linesman.
I'll have none of that! Stick to the facts as he presents them please!!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by tamburello