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The Leaf's just cleaned HOUSE!!! Hagman, White, Stajan and one other no name to Calgary for Dion Phanuef and a bucket of pucks...or something. Then ole Burke isn't done, he ships Toskala and White(the man who couldn''t hit the ocean if he fell out of a boat) to Anaheim for Giguriere!
No matter what happens the rest of the way, one cannot say Brian Burke is afraid to make a change or two. WOW...the Leafs just got meaner, younger and maybe in some ways better down the road...
I'd say the Flames got the better end of that deal. Phaneuf has seen better days. Good ridance.
Calgary needed an offensive shakeup and Stajan and Hagman might just provide that. Iginla had a good start to the season but has done bugger-all lately.
Jokinen can't seem to skate well. He needs to be parked in front of the net and have someone feed him the puck to score.
Rene Bourque has been holding that team together this season.
Hopefully now they'll have a chance at the playoffs.
They had a good game last night... against Deadmonton :dozey:
Caps are Hot! :hot: :D
:[/QUOTE]I'd say the Flames got the better end of that deal. Phaneuf has seen better days. Good ridance.
Calgary needed an offensive shakeup and Stajan and Hagman might just provide that. Iginla had a good start to the season but has done bugger-all lately.:[/QUOTE]
How you figure a 23 year old defensemen is done? You forget the skill this guy has? It is a case of him getting his head out of his @ss and working harder. Not sure what happened but he was a Sutter kind of guy. On the Flames front tho, Stajan and Hagman are so good they have the Leaf's in 15th place...just ripping up the league eh? Sorry, I think Stajan and Hagman are pretty good, but if Phaneuf plays well, Toronto is ahead. The steal you guys got and the one that bothers me is White. He is sneaky proficient and plays for a good price.
AS for Iggy, he has never had a center that could work with him. Too bad we didn't have him here with Sundin!!!
:[/QUOTE]Jokinen can't seem to skate well. He needs to be parked in front of the net and have someone feed him the puck to score.
Rene Bourque has been holding that team together this season.
Hopefully now they'll have a chance at the playoffs.
They had a good game last night... against Deadmonton :dozey: [/QUOTE]
Jokinen isn't much of a skater but a good trigger man in the slot isn't anyting to be sneezed at. I Heard also Girodano is the real glue or unsung hero. I like the Flames now if they can get to the playoffs....
Phaneuf has seen better days? HE's 23!!!!!! He hasn't hit his prime really, and if he gets his head out of his @ss, he has Norris Trophy level talent. I don't get why they gave him to Toronto for Stajan and Hagman. Believe me, if they were really good Schmenke, Toronto wouldn't be so horrible on the PP and be 15th in the Conference. The steal for Calgary is White. He does quite well and isnt' a lot of dough.Quote:
Originally Posted by schmenke
Jokinen has great hands, and you cant teach that.Quote:
Originally Posted by schmenke
I didn't mean age. Compared to the previous couple of seasons he's playing lousy. He's a good solid defenceman, but his offence has lacked punch this year, particularily on the pp.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark in Oshawa
He just seems to be lacking motivation this year. Hopefully the trade will do him some good.
Yes, he has great hands, but the rest of him doesn't follow :p : Next time you're watching a Flames game, watch him in the neutral zone, he seems to skate in slow-mo. One he's penetrated, though, particularily in the slot, he's deadly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark in Oshawa
lol..the last time I saw the Flames they looked pretty good but they were after all, playing the Leafs!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by schmenke
Phaneuf's issues are all between his ears. What he is like now reminds me a lot of Pronger in the early years....and no one would suggest there is a team that wouldn't take a Chris Pronger.
OJ has a big ego. Always had, always will... there are only a few players out there OJ respects, I think Iginla is one of them. But, other than them, our Olli-boy treats the rest badly. Hence, he doesn't gain any respect himself.. or at least leaderwise respect. IMO he has been lost ever since he was sold from Miami. There he was a star which he (or his ego) needed.
Well a lot of the talk in Calgary is that both trades of Phaneuf and the proposed deal of Jokinen to the Rangers is all about attitude. Neither guy was popular in the room. Olli I don't think will change, but Dion is younger, and he may have been shocked out of his complacency and ego. Most guys when traded for this reason early in their career often figure out they are not the biggest man on campus and it didn't do them any good to act that way.Quote:
Originally Posted by A.F.F.
I may have told this story before, can't remember but...Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark in Oshawa
When Olli ( or Nasu as I like to call him) was a fresh junior world champion and Finnish national league champion, folks here called him The Chief. the name was a joke of course and told all the essential about his attitude. Unfortunately nobody told Nasu about the joke. So, he honestly thought he is The Chief. So, when he got in NHL with Kings if I recall right, they had a training game against Colorado. The Chief took his first shift and tackled one Peter Forsberg... real hard. When Forsberg started taking his gear from the ice, The Chief skated around him and yelled the one word he knew in english at that time; F**k !!!! Forsberg was like what's wrong with him and so were all the others.. until Olli's own teammates got shame of him. But The Chief continued ranting and raving on ice and it tooked Jarri Kurri from Colorado who finally got him stop.
So... Olli has changed and learned on the way... too bad he was so deep in the ditch he never reach the proper level :mark:
Then again, in Team Finland he has taken his role usually without swallowing and played relatively good :confused: Maybe he is patriotic ?? :p :