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And his unique consistency will be with him in the absence of split times.Quote:
Originally Posted by nafpaktos
Noticed Mads test was all on asphalt whereas Loeb was on snow a lot ...
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Loeb on testing and the road conditions:
' The Monte Master faced a variety of wintry conditions on his test, which should stand him in good stead for the notoriously unpredictable event.
“It was very good conditions on the first day, dry with a little dampness in places but nothing special. The second day was much more difficult with ice and tricky conditions - especially in the morning. There was no real snow, but maybe we won’t have any in the race either.
“It’s always the same with Monte Carlo, you do the test in the conditions you have and you do the race in the conditions you find,” he added. '
http://www.wrc.com/en/wrc/news/janua...5--12-12-.html
all citroen crews made 2 days of tests.First day at dry,and second day at snow-ice.Watch the videos at each day for each pilot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
last test before Monte for Hyundai.At morning Sordo,and at evening Neuville
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Derniers essais pour Hyundai avant le rallye de Monté-Carlo avec Dani Sordo ce matin, Thierry Neuville cet après-midi
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Chardonnet testing for Monte
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.n...9b4dbb6fbc7f13
Meeke testing from borl
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlsCUVtQMzI
Yes I watched them all... there's very many videos of Loeb on snow but few of Meeke & Ostberg. Maybe the video-makers just filmed Loeb up on the higher roads & didnt wait in the cold for the other two ;) !Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
Sordo testing for MC now...
https://scontent-b-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/...44&oe=55361ED2
So as expected only the works Citroens with the new evolutions? Chardonnet has the old rear spoiler.
Chardonnet vid DS3WRC
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HRi8...ature=youtu.be
Meeke-Loeb 2 days,Ostberg 1 day. I wrote wrong that all drivers had 2 days.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
btw Hyundai 1,5 day for 3 drivers...
So far during testing, from a driving technique standpoint:
Ogier: Very good, now also master of the "multiple V". But a little agressive.
Loeb (who will fight for the win): Very good, but a little exessive sideways movement on the rear on exits. This is details in the minute, so difficult to say how important it is, or why it is happening.
Theory one: The car has been taken in a certain direction set up wise with Loeb out of the team.
Theory two: Not yet full control of the set up after upgrades.
Theory three: Wantet movement to make the car handle easier.
Theory four: All theories above BS, things are just business as usual ;)
Meeke: Looks good, and fast, but same rear exit sideways movement as Loeb.
Mads: Very straight exits, but a little stereotypical on the hairpins. But looked surprisingly good :)
Thierry crashed today, as with his usual way he knocked a wheel off the car
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thanks a lot! Mads looked surprisingly good to me too. There are also some good vids about Latvala, Tänak and Evans, what about them ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lundefaret
Onboard video with Loeb during testing:
https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v...ages_video_set
Hello EstWRC :)Quote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
Latvala: Overly agressive. I think testing for Monte-Carlo should be about finding the right sustainable speed, taking in account variyng conditions etc, and not the max speed on a well nown test road.
Was a bit funny this, because watching the videos I was thinking that this cant go on a whole rally. On the next page in this thread it was pictures of his offs, wich i have learned he had two of. So I was not totally out off the ballpark.
Tänak: First tought, is that for me it looks like the whole car has an excessive amount off roll from side to side, maybe running very soft anti roll bars?
I dont know if this is something that has come now, or been there all along, but for me the car seems to roll too much.
The uppsides would be:
- A car that is less dependet on the driver to create grip.
- A car that feels safer to the driver with a less sudden treshold of grip/working scope of chassis.
The downsides:
- A car that is theoretically slower because it will bottom out earlier.
- A car that takes longer to be planted for acceleration.
The driving of Tänak looked good but inconsistent, but it was not easy to judge because the set up and the lack of technical stuff.
Evans: Didnt get a good look.
Mikkelsen: Some VERY good driving in hairpins. Mikkelsen was a master of going slow to be fast, and this shows some of his former magic :)
Exiting some of the hairpins he is on very low revs searching for grip, where others would be one gear lower and powersliding sideways.
Other than that it was some a bit early entries leading to some exit oversteer, but nothing symptomatic. Clean, good and very fast driving.
Mikkelsens challenge is to make pacenotes good enough for him to drive to the max of his abilities. In my opinion he has a little way to go in this respect, but it could be achieved with rather small adjustments.
Thierry-Sordo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMB3...ature=youtu.be
at 2,51 to 3,02 from outsideQuote:
Originally Posted by makinen_fan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qlva...ature=youtu.be
Ostberg from vids and pics had the "plain" rear spoiler as ChardoQuote:
Originally Posted by EightGear
Chardonnet
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hypr...ature=youtu.be
about the nervous rear of ds3 i noticed it too.At slippery surfaces and tight corners ok its normal to happen,but i noticed it also on dry parts.Maybe tyres,maybe different rear differential locking? we will see at the rally if its happening the same.
Latvala testing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IytZt0v-4jc
When will Kubica have a test??
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His co-driver said, they'll have test right before recce, so it should be done this weekend (or maybe earlier).Quote:
Originally Posted by Ucci
Great onboard from Loeb's test with the right camera position!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZmp7fOSDhY
And no wide angle lens distortion ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by mousti
Jari-Matti Latvala :
I'm happy! We did 220kms on snow today. Car worked well & now I've seen all the conditions (snow, ice, wet, dry...! ) Ready for the Rally!
I know M-Sort had all ready a test. But i didn't see if they testes on snow/ice. I saw only (dry) tarmac. Have i missed some pics and vids?
I read a tweet of a dutch weatherman: next week a big change of snow in south of the alps.
Yes, this is one of the stretches that shows this rear movement.Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
Loeb drives beautifully, and You do want some degree of handling ability in the car, but exsessive movement in the rear will result in oversteer on acceleration, and then it will hamper acceleration somewhat.
Its difficult to say, out of some short testing videos, how important/uniportant this "discovery" is, but it is exsiting that it is possible to see differences between the drivers and the team - like the roll in the Fiestas.
Hyundai
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGGMk1HmQMs
watch the massive understeer how quickly moves to oversteer at slow corners exit.
This also shows a car wich seems on the soft side, bot on sideways roll, but also on dampers.Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
Probably some logic behind the set up choice, but for me it looks a little strange.
The outer front is loaded heavily, and above maximum grip level.
Dont think the exit oversteer is too bad.
(exessive understeer will more often than not lead to oversteer, as You probably know.)
Neither Dani Sordo or the Hyundai team are amateurs, so there is probably some logic behind this "wierd" set up, and it would be very cool to know about the strategy behind it. So if someone has any contacts, please enlighten me :)
This looks more like tarmac set-up, than anything else.
This seems to be a problem that cannot be solved with the current homologated chassis/suspension. After 1.5 years of testing the car, they should have found a way to solve the problem, it was there from the very beginning. Lets hope they have learned something, and their new car does not suffer from it.
For me it looks like they should stiffen it up, maybe the Anti Roll Bars, and maybe start at the rear? But very difficult to say just out of a video, and I am no set up engineer.Quote:
Originally Posted by makinen_fan
They should call me to set up the car:)
Tarmac rally with understeer is loosing lots of time!
If anyone know how to setup for asphalt, that should be Sordo. Perhaps Hyunday's construction doesn't allow more "precise" setup for asphalt. Or perhaps they're preparing for some more "loose" setup for changeable conditions with snow/ice. But I'm only guessing:)