Hamilton Stripped of Win - Official

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Originally Posted by Daniel

The problem again comes down to the fact that a rulebook can't be all inclusive. Every single time I've seen this sort of thing happen the driver has always given the place back and not attacked for a corner or two, they've been penalised for not giving the place back at all or they've sort of given the place back as Lewis did and they got penalised. I can't actually recall when I last saw someone do what Lewis did. Can anyone tell me when the last time someone gained and advantage, gave the place back and then overtook all within the time from one corner to another?

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I'm pretty sure there were similar incidents at Monza's first chicance, concede position and then attack at the second chicane.

Can't come up with examples though, too busy to research youtube!

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Originally Posted by Daniel

Is there not? My bad if so!

As Dave says though "If it doesn't say you can, you can't" should be the way it operates.

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Should is a bit different to "is".

That's the problem. Too many nudges and winks on how the rules are interpreted.

So, today it has been said that if you overtake and give the place back, you don't overtake until after the next corner.

Again, this ISN'T in the rules and you can still be penalised if you follow this advice from Charlie as McLaren were.

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Originally Posted by Knock-on

Should is a bit different to "is".

That's the problem. Too many nudges and winks on how the rules are interpreted.

So, today it has been said that if you overtake and give the place back, you don't overtake until after the next corner.

Again, this ISN'T in the rules and you can still be penalised if you follow this advice from Charlie as McLaren were.

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As has been pointed out Charlie isn't responsible for these sort of things during the race.

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Originally Posted by Daniel

As has been pointed out Charlie isn't responsible for these sort of things during the race.

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To an extent he does.

He does the driver briefing.

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http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/70480

"But, you can do two things in life – you can dwell on the past or you can try and get clarification on things and move forward. That is the way I live my life.

"In the drivers' briefing tomorrow we will try and get clarification about the conditions we are racing under and we will move forward. And when some fans go, some fans come. That is the natural evolution of life."

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Originally Posted by Knock-on

Should is a bit different to "is".

That's the problem. Too many nudges and winks on how the rules are interpreted.

So, today it has been said that if you overtake and give the place back, you don't overtake until after the next corner.

Again, this ISN'T in the rules and you can still be penalised if you follow this advice from Charlie as McLaren were.

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almost everyone..from drivers..teams..to fans gave there view on things...but FIA itself..while they should have been the first to come out with a clear statement..first on what the penalty was based on..and secondly on what exactly should be donne from now on if something similar....and yes they should have donne it this week knowing Monza was next...They failed in doin so...

as I said before, the fact that Ron asked Charlie twice if Lewis's pass was ok shows you that even RD knew it was well dodgy... if in doubt, don't do it!

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Originally Posted by Daniel

As has been pointed out Charlie isn't responsible for these sort of things during the race.

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Sorry, but to a degree he is.

He's the one the teams turn to and is involved in referring incidents to the Stewards.

In this situation, he confirmed that McLaren were OK and then referred it to the Stewards to investigate.

Can you not see why McLaren are aggrieved.

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Originally Posted by wedge

I'm pretty sure there were similar incidents at Monza's first chicance, concede position and then attack at the second chicane.

Can't come up with examples though, too busy to research youtube!

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The second chicane, although in practice it is the next corner, is of course after the Curva Grande.

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Originally Posted by wedge

To an extent he does.

He does the driver briefing.

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They do the driver briefing while they're racing these days? :confused:

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Originally Posted by HereIam

as I said before, the fact that Ron asked Charlie twice if Lewis's pass was ok shows you that even RD knew it was well dodgy... if in doubt, don't do it!

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Well dodgy? :laugh:

He spoke with the Race Director to confirm that he concurred that they had given the place back correctly. He said "probably" so they rechecked and then he confirmed that it was OK.

Otherwise, as Ron pointed out, they would have let Kimi past again and then retaken him.

The idiots in this are the Stewards for a diabolical penalty and CW for confirming this was OK and then changing his mind after the race and referring it to the Stewards.