Re: Rallye France Alsace 2013
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Originally Posted by NxOxT
that different era different circumnstances i do not agree with... the sport is the same, i see no reason why someone would not dominate in the 70s 80s 90s like Loeb did in the 00s
What you forget is the reliability of the cars today. Much more rallies back in the days depended on the technical material. If you were unlucky it was the car that broke down and made the driver not winning. With todays reliabiltiy of cars in the 80´s and 90´s there could have been certain drivers which could have dominated more.
Re: Rallye France Alsace 2013
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Originally Posted by Rallyper
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Originally Posted by NxOxT
that different era different circumnstances i do not agree with... the sport is the same, i see no reason why someone would not dominate in the 70s 80s 90s like Loeb did in the 00s
What you forget is the reliability of the cars today. Much more rallies back in the days depended on the technical material. If you were unlucky it was the car that broke down and made the driver not winning. With todays reliabiltiy of cars in the 80´s and 90´s there could have been certain drivers which could have dominated more.
That's fine, but I remember one statement of Malcolm Wilson - "Colin knew the wekanesses of the car and tried to avoid it" (or something like that).
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Originally Posted by stefanvv
what is this, and where?
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Originally Posted by SlowSon
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Originally Posted by stefanvv
what is this, and where?
Isn't it obvious?
Re: Rallye France Alsace 2013
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Originally Posted by stefanvv
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Originally Posted by SlowSon
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Originally Posted by stefanvv
what is this, and where?
Isn't it obvious?
If you incidentally see the Bulgarian flag in the public, you must know we are big Loeb fans :D
Re: Rallye France Alsace 2013
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Originally Posted by SlowSon
... loeb is one coward...
Only a wanna-be-low creature can make up such a statement.
2004... 2005... 2006... 2007... 2008... 2009... 2010... 2011... 2012...
Re: Rallye France Alsace 2013
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Originally Posted by Rallyper
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Originally Posted by NxOxT
that different era different circumnstances i do not agree with... the sport is the same, i see no reason why someone would not dominate in the 70s 80s 90s like Loeb did in the 00s
What you forget is the reliability of the cars today. Much more rallies back in the days depended on the technical material. If you were unlucky it was the car that broke down and made the driver not winning. With todays reliabiltiy of cars in the 80´s and 90´s there could have been certain drivers which could have dominated more.
Also, the events were much more diverse - some of them were so long, that the question wasn't if, but when your car will have a technical issue. Loeb has won 46% of the rallies he contested. Drivers of yesteryear would hope to actually finish half of the rallies they started. Additionally, the drivers/teams were not obliged to start every single WRC round.
If Loeb was born twenty years later (and granted that he would made it to the WRC), he still would snatch multiple championships, but he wouldn't be able to win 78 rallies "for sure®".
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2004... 2005... 2006... 2007... 2008... 2009... 2010... 2011... 2012...
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4-four-time Alsatian champion, once champion of the French Grand East, and fifth in the French championship as a gymnast
= Best Ever MASTER!!!
They all have 9-nine! years to reach The Master.
No more, no less!!!
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I really can't believe some of the anti-Loeb comments I am reading here. What would his career have to look like in order to "mute" some people? Did he have to win 500 rallies and keep winning until he was 65? The man was simply perfect, whether you want to admit it or not. He dominated on every surface on multiple occasions. He was, is and will continue to be a great ambassador for Citroen. What arguments can these people even offer? His fear of Ogier led him into retirement? 2 wins out of 4 rallies for fun, with the other two being a 2nd and a crash while going for the victory on his last rally- I would rather say he made fun of Ogier this year, not to mention others. He always had a super jet-powered car in his career? Just look at the results of Citroen this year. If I am not mistaken, Hirvonen has said he suffers much with Loeb's absense since he doesn't work with him on set up anymore- anyone with any kind of motorsport experience will know to appreciate how much this says about Loeb. Simply compare 2012 Mikko with 2013 Mikko. As someone noted, he sent a whole generation of rally legends (who were our idols) into retirement by beating all of them and destroyed the careers of an entire following generation, leaving them to fight for 2nd. I don't think much more needs to be said about the greatest rally driver of all time. I am happy to have followed rallying in his era :)