another school shooting in U.S. of A. :(

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I agree with all that you've written there. But as for eliminating coke and heroin, there's too much money in it to ever think that it can or will be eliminated. Did you ever watch the amazingly great series The Wire? Most of my law enforcement pals have commented that that series was 100% dead on the mark. The (so called) War on Drugs has been nothing short of a joke and a dog & pony show put on for naive people.... kinda like thinking that banning AK's will lessen the murder rate one iota.


That's ironic. I was working in banking in Maryland back then. It will be really funny if we eventually meet at a race and both of us say, at the same time, "Say, don't I know you from somewhere???" The money was great. But it's nice to wake up and be able to like/respect myself again... without the feeling that I need to take a shower to get "clean" when I get home from work - but the dirty feeling just wouldn't go away after awhile.




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Yeah, I watched the Wire. Easiest show ever to write. All they had to do was read the Baltimore Sun and watch the police reports every morning. I agree, it's 100% accurate, and unfortunately, I think parts of Baltimore may actually be worse than portrayed back then. Heroin has single handedly ruined many parts of what was a fine city. I recommend anyone that wonders why some of us are adamant about gun ownership spend a few hours and watch the Wire series. fortunately, I only work in the city and live 40 miles outside of the city, but it's effects are felt even at home. At least they keep the harbor and tourist areas safe.

I rather like the proposals in the The Jag_Warrior Firearms Reforms Statute Bill 2012. I note that it doesn't make mention of provisions relating to semi-automatic or automatic weapons. I'm wondering if this should be included...

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6) Upon purchasing a new or used firearm from any source that has to or elects to use the background check system, the identity of the purchaser will remain in an FBI database and a chain of ownership will be established for as long as that firearm exists. Should one, who does not currently have an FFL, elect not to use the system and then sell to suspicious purchasers... much like a fully assumable VA mortgage, you can transfer a firearm to whomever you like. But if the transfer is done without a background check, whatever trouble that weapon causes is all on you - because you are the last recorded owner of the house... I mean gun! BTW: *Any release of a name and/or address in this database to any entity outside of the courts or law enforcement shall be punishable by a prison term not to exceed 20 years but not less than 10 years in prison. Breaching said database would carry the same penalties.*

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When I register a motor car in NSW, the Vehicle Identification Number (VIN) and Engine number are recorded. I'm wondering if this database which you propose should include standardised serial numbers (which the manufacturers would agree to) and if parts don't match up, it should raise flags in the system.

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I rather like the proposals in the The Jag_Warrior Firearms Reforms Statute Bill 2012. I note that it doesn't make mention of provisions relating to semi-automatic or automatic weapons. I'm wondering if this should be included...



When I register a motor car in NSW, the Vehicle Identification Number (VIN) and Engine number are recorded. I'm wondering if this database which you propose should include standardised serial numbers (which the manufacturers would agree to) and if parts don't match up, it should raise flags in the system.

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All guns are already serialized and possession of a non numbered firearm is a federal offense under the federal gun control act of 1968. It is also a state offense in all states as far as I know. In my state all new handguns must also be accompanied by a test fired round from the manufacturer, even though many experts question the practical usefulness of this method of ballistic matching. You do not want to be cought in possession of a gun with a removed serial number. Fully automatic weapons and most so called and identified assault weapons are already highly restricted in most states and under the federal government. This includes handguns. Most transfers or sales of these restricted weapons legally have to go through an FFL or a local police department. I guarantee, despite provisions that records of firearms sales are not supposed to be retained by the state or federal government after completion of a transfer, the ATF and Maryland State police know exactly how many restricted weapons should be in my posession from my transactions and background checks. Actual registration of ALL firearms has been highly controversial with the staunchest pro gun advocates, primarily as an infringement of a constitutional right to privacy. Maryland tried it... it was scrapped as cumbersome to administer and ineffective, and IIRC even the state police were against it. Maryland also attempted to force serialization of all ammunition which would have also essentially outlawed home reloading which drew an even larger outcry. That effort was stillborn.
It is quite a misnomer that anyone in this country can just walk into a store like a Walmart and walk out with a firearm without questionin most areas. Even an unregulated firearm like a shotgun requires a BACKGROUND check and a registration of the sale.

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The Jag_Warrior Firearms Reforms Statute:

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In the The Jag_Warrior Firearms Reforms Statute:


What do you mean by firearms?


What weapons are you, Mr. Jag_Warrior, civilian, allowed to purchase legally? And as many as you wish?

Despite Gun Control, Dutch Shooting Rampages Becoming Common

WTF is going on in Europe?

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Despite Gun Control, Dutch Shooting Rampages Becoming Common

WTF is going on in Europe?

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Would the deaths of two people even make any news at all in the United States? Of course the people of the Netherlands would be outraged, there are different norms in that country.

What is your point here exactly?

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Would the deaths of two people even make any news at all in the United States? Of course the people of the Netherlands would be outraged, there are different norms in that country.

What is your point here exactly?

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oh, that despite total bans on automatic weapons, a shooting occurred.... and yes, the shooting of anyone does make the news here in the US. Nationally, maybe not, but then we are comparing a country of 16m people with the US. We have cities larger than the entire country and with that, proportionately larger problems. As do most shootings in the US, this shooting clearly involved criminals and illegal firearms.

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The difference is that now the enemy is a significant portion of the US Population who are drinking the Kool-Aid forced fed them by the Media.

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'The enemy'? Honestly, get real. You genuinely equate those with a different view to yours on gun control with the Japanese in 1941?

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Nope. I defend his right to say whatever he wants to say. Even if its is the vile, despicable, ignorant, crap that he likes to spew.

BTW I like the way he starts out saying he has shot everything from "Magnum 45 handguns"

Excuse me? First I don't believe that wussy has ever fired a gun without crying like the little Brit Girlie man but there is NO SUCH THING AS A "MAGNUM 45"

So his opinion is based on either ignorance or a lie. Something that all arguments for the destruction of basic human rights are usually based on.

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I don't believe he's ever fired a wide range of guns either. Mind you, I don't believe that you brought that gun to Europe illegally, so you are as bad as each other.

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Despite Gun Control, Dutch Shooting Rampages Becoming Common

WTF is going on in Europe?

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I'm confused here. In one post you are critical of how people 'drink the Kool-Aid force-fed them by the media'; then in another you uncritically wheel out an article from the media in which the headline says that 'Dutch shooting rampages (are) becoming common', when said article offers no evidence of the sort. I would contend that shooting rampages are not becoming common in the Netherlands at all. You, Tony, are an ignoramus of the highest order when it comes to what's 'going on in Europe'. You have not the faintest idea. Your comments on any subject relating to matters from outside the USA's borders are always embarrassingly laughable.