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5th December 2011, 19:31
anthonyvop

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Originally Posted by Rollo

I agree. It probably is in the United States. I doubt that there is the skill to run a public healthcare system in the US properly.

Public? No better than any other country.

But the USA does have the best Private healthcare system on the planet. And isn't that what is more important? It is the private sector that has created the vast majority of advances in medicine and healthcare.
5th December 2011, 21:28
BDunnell

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Originally Posted by anthonyvop

Significant? If the Europeans who post here are any judge then it is a huge majority

I see no such people here at all. You, by contrast, see in people purely what you wish to see and nothing more.
5th December 2011, 22:03
airshifter

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Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1

Do you not have the choice to support or not support your political representative?

Not buying your petrol (gas!) from Mobil, for example, is hardly going to make a dent on their profits.

As with most people of age I can vote, but I've yet to see any candidate (local, state or national) promise me that all the taxes I pay are optional. Even they know better than that lie.

As for the corporations, who I buy gas from won't make a dent. But if tens of millions of people think (from your example) Mobil is corrupt or greedy then we could sure make them feel the crunch.
5th December 2011, 22:05
Rollo

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Originally Posted by anthonyvop

But the USA does have the best Private healthcare system on the planet. And isn't that what is more important? It is the private sector that has created the vast majority of advances in medicine and healthcare.

You might have the best Private healthcare system on the planet. It still doesn't change the fact that you pay significantly more for that and that not everyone is covered by that standard. The utility of the system in Australia is open to everyone and it shows because we have a higher life expectancy and pay on average less than 30% for it than what you do.

But of course the medical system in the US sees you all as customers rather than patients, which I suppose is a good thing, because collectively you've agreed that your money is better off in the hands of Big Pharma rather than your pockets.

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Originally Posted by anthonyvop

Public? No better than any other country.

Yeah, no "better", rather worse.
5th December 2011, 22:06
airshifter

And here we go, and example of a failed system. This a couple hours later on the same home page that I posted the charity link from.

People living in a 1.2 million dollar home and getting public assistance. Just how equal do they want to be?

Seattle welfare recipient lives in million-dollar home | The Sideshow - Yahoo! News

Based on the article, they stated their proper address. If these people didn't lie and got away with this, what do the ones actually trying hard to scam the system get away with?
5th December 2011, 22:28
Rollo

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Originally Posted by anthonyvop

We have no choice when it comes to paying Taxes. We do have a choice on who we elect to decide how to spend our money but we are the victim of the whims of the populace. Every election it is getting harder and harder to win against people who vote themselves a raise.

This person's vote is equal to mine.

Obama Is Going To Pay For My Gas And Mortgage!!! - YouTube

You do have a have choice on who you elect to decide how to spend your money but rather than choosing politicians who would choose to improve the quality of the labour force through education programs, you collectively choose as a nation you decide to treat people like refuse; the results have followed.

Up until 2008 Germany had free education and collectively the German people are the most productive people in Europe as a result. Unless of course you happen to think there is something special about Germans, then there can't really be much other reason for it.

Why is it so hard for America to take responsibility for its own people? Moreover, I think it's a sad indictment if you are a representative of the American people that you should gloat over people like this.
5th December 2011, 23:16
anthonyvop

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

I see no such people here at all. You, by contrast, see in people purely what you wish to see and nothing more.

Really? Don't you believe that all people should have access to free healthcare?
5th December 2011, 23:19
Rollo

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Originally Posted by anthonyvop

Really? Don't you believe that all people should have access to free healthcare?

My wife is an American and because she lives in Australia, she has it.
5th December 2011, 23:26
anthonyvop

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Originally Posted by Rollo

You might have the best Private healthcare system on the planet. It still doesn't change the fact that you pay significantly more for that and that not everyone is covered by that standard.

So? A quality product usually costs more than a similar product of a lesser quality. You have a problem with that?

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Originally Posted by Rollo

The utility of the system in Australia is open to everyone and it shows because we have a higher life expectancy and pay on average less than 30% for it than what you do.

Life expectancy has never been a good yardstick to measure healthcare. Lifestyle has a bigger affect. Athletics, War, Driving...etc all have an influence.

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Originally Posted by Rollo

But of course the medical system in the US sees you all as customers rather than patients, which I suppose is a good thing, because collectively you've agreed that your money is better off in the hands of Big Pharma rather than your pockets.

Unfortunately I am forced to pay extra to subsidize the lazy and unproductive. That is the problem. People like you think it is OK to spend other people's money just so they can feel good about themselves. Hence I am forced to pay more for a product.

And yes, I much prefer my money going to a private company that produces an honest product than to a government who just TAKES IT BY FORCE and disburses it to whichever voting block they want to appease.

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Originally Posted by Rollo

Yeah, no "better", rather worse.

Not Perfect but much better than anywhere else....That is a fact that no amount of liberal whining can change.
5th December 2011, 23:28
anthonyvop

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Originally Posted by Rollo

My wife is an American and because she lives in Australia, she has it.

So?

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