So all of those cool wintery pics are from that other non wrc rally? I looked on fb and was glad that there was this miracle happening but I guess not?
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So all of those cool wintery pics are from that other non wrc rally? I looked on fb and was glad that there was this miracle happening but I guess not?
If you refer to the Enthusiasts of Rally Sweden fb group, today there has been pictures from a place called Lima, only a bit North from Torsby, with roads having perfect winter conditions. They have been shot in order to show the organizers what's available.Quote:
Originally Posted by masa90
Ah ok. Yes I meant that group. My swedish is so bad, that I really need to concentrate to understand it. Here I did not have time so I just browsed the photos. Which looked cool to be honest.
This is why.Quote:
Originally Posted by denkimi
https://images.app.goo.gl/mdTF5a6DPV6wfRMU6
What happens when the frozen roads start defrost is that the top layer becomes very saturated with water so the road becomes very very soft, almost like a floating surface.Quote:
Originally Posted by denkimi
see this picture below (source). Now imagine 20-30 rally cars + other official vehicles to drive on a road like this. How many cars would be able to pass before they would get stuck?
Then next question would be how you would remove the cars being stuck (as you cannot drive a heavy vehicle on the road)?
https://www.skogskunskap.se/Large/cd...1200x675px.jpg
Well, while waiting before booking my preferred hotel was completely booked. So I will need to pass this year anyways hah. Either way, I really hope that there will be a rally. I would love to watch it even on tv and that would give hope for there being a rally sweden in 2021.
I think people forget these stages/tracks are actually public roads used by locals. They cant be destroyed.
Similar looking tracks on Rally GB are only used by the Forestry Commission vehicles (for logging etc).
In GB the roads have a harder stone base. Also, the ground doesn't frost as much during the year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
However liasions will be difficult. And for spectators moving around. Not many big roads are going in east-west direction from northern Värmland to Dalarna.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
Because road is so soft. It will get destroyd with 10 cars passing. And if it is wet you cant have big machinery to repait the road. And if it will froze suddenly. Then the road would be fucked till may.Quote:
Originally Posted by denkimi
https://twitter.com/saarijarno/statu...489527301?s=21
Shortened route has been proposed. Decision tomorrow at earliest.
Notice that lot of the sponsor money for the rally comes from Karlstad. If the event is moved to north that sponsorship is gone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
The stages are organized by local motoring clubs and voluntaries. Do they have similar stuff in north?
And surely it would be hard to find enough good stages near the (new possible) Rally HQ /SP.
It should be worked out properly. HQ and stages would become situated much closer to each other than todays Karlstad situation.Quote:
Originally Posted by abcrally
Karlstad only has SSS and ceremonial start nowadays. Lot has changed but they still sponsor the event.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
I heard the hilly north of Sweden has a lot of skiing and the hotels will be booked-up by skiers.
True. No major sponsor money for the rally available from north as the accommodation and restaurants etc would be booked in February anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
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Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
That is true for the western part of central and northern Sweden (in the mountains), like Sälen, Idre, Härjedalen/Vemdalen, Åre..... .Quote:
Originally Posted by abcrally
However I don't think there is that much skiing in the Umeå area since that area is relatively flat compared the mountains in the west.
Quote:
Originally Posted by SubaruNorway
So they are not gravel roads. They are just frozen dirt.Quote:
Originally Posted by BleAivano
That was all in needed to know.
A road like that is a mix of stones, gravel, clay and soil. When dry in the summer or frozen in the winter, it can be as hard as tarmac.
No, they are gravel roads just like the one in the pic below. As I said the situation in the pic above is what happens when the road has been frozen (and covered with snow) but have defrosted.Quote:
Originally Posted by denkimi
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...road_BD613.jpg
Google thaw and read, stop being so ignorant.Quote:
Originally Posted by denkimi
Stupidity has no limits...well, quite common actually, when only familiar with tarmac roads...
In reality these roads don`t even need a rally to become deteriorated, normal traffic with small cars will do...and those cars with their drivers have to manage and live there.
You don't even need to move it that much north, if they just skip the Karlstad trip, and chooses stages that's a bit higher up in the terrain.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
Just make an Arctic Lapland Rally a WRC event and snow rally problem will solved for yearsQuote:
Originally Posted by BleAivano
1. I think studded tyre will destroy road faster and harder than gravel tyre in similar +5C conditions.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
2. But they work perfectly in Wales, even with some snow, even with low temp ~+5C
3. So traffic rules it's only problem for do that.
Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
Mads Østberg
@MadsOstberg
4h
Approx 40kms from Torsby, 16 km from Likenäs
For now it's perfect rally weather/time
Quote:
Originally Posted by KKS
This is it. Quickly move all the stages there :D
If the road is soft/mushy, it really doesn't matter what tyre exactly.Quote:
Originally Posted by KKS
When is the last time Wales Rally GB has had any snow? The tyre regulations in the 90's were completely different, options were endless.Quote:
Originally Posted by KKS
That's definitely what they must consider for the following years. Besides, I'd love to get a stage called Anttila in a WRC event :DQuote:
Originally Posted by EstWRC
In 1996 when it was counting only for F2 (Blomqvist-Felicia fireworks) the SSs in the North were like Sweden and they were using snow tyres... Nice days...Quote:
Originally Posted by AnttiL
Yeah I actually just watched a video from that recently. In fact, back then they were allowed to use the very narrow snow tyres which are not used anymore. Like I said, back then there was an endless array of tyre types and compounds. You could always find a match for every weather.Quote:
Originally Posted by atsiotras79
Representatives from Rally Sweden, the FIA and WRC Promoter held yesterday (3 February) further discussions regarding the status of the second round of the FIA World Rally Championship, due to take place in the Värmland region of Sweden and across the border in Norway on 13 - 16 February.
Snow has fallen in the rally region in recent days. But the unseasonably warm weather and current weather forecasts continue to provide concerns as to the suitability of the roads in the special stages to allow the event to go ahead as planned.
Further alignment with the manufacturer teams will take place and the FIA will conduct an onsite inspection of the stages at the beginning of this week.
To enhance the WRC event conditions, the Rally Sweden Historic event has therefore been cancelled.
– We continue to examine every possible way to ensure the rally goes ahead. The conditions are being monitored constantly and the situation will be re-evaluated with any decisions required to be made this week, says Rally Sweden CEO Glenn Olsson.
doesnt sound very promising to me, taken from Rally Sweden FB account
They're praying for the forecast to change.
Looks really bad. Shame for all who have bought trips there to see the rally.
I was feeling dumb for missing it again this year (flying out on the 14th :rolleyes:) - I guess we'll see if that is true or not.
and all drivers who gathered a budget to have a showcase run. Predominantly Latvala. Breen was also given a rare chance. Many R5 drivers as well for sure. Of course not all expenses will realize, but there's always something that cannot be refunded, and nothing brings back the time and effort used for preparing the event, getting sponsors etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by masa90
And what happens if the rally is run at half length? Spectators will pay for a trip and see half the action? Sponsors will get half the exposure? If the roads are in bad shape the private cars later in the starting order won't have a chance.
Let's also not forget this:
For full points you need at least 75% of the event to be run.
For half points you need at least 50% of the event to be run.
For 1/3 points you need at least 25% of the event to be run.
For full points they need to gather 225,63km SS. They could cancel both Karlstad superstages, Torsby 1, one whole loop of saturday + Torsby sprint, and still have enough kms. They could also cancel both runs of Hagfors and run Vargasen twice, and still get the mileage, but only just (225,69kms). If saturday is completely lost, there's no way they can get 75% and then the event will count for only half the points, making it less interesting especially for WRC2/3 crews.
I'm very disappointed. It now remains to search for tourist spots in Sweden and Norway ...
The four most Northern stages are ~20 km each. Running each of them twice would make about 160 km, which is just above 50%.