I dunno how many other stages/combinations are possible here, but for sure these kind of average speeds won't make it to a WRC round.
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I dunno how many other stages/combinations are possible here, but for sure these kind of average speeds won't make it to a WRC round.
Gryazin beats Suninen in the end, despite 2m+ time loss on SS1.
They both could be. Solberg name will help Oliver and Gryazin has money behind him but they both have a lot of speed and potential.Quote:
Originally Posted by Barreis
At this stage Gryazin is probably a more complete driver as he has done a wider variety of events (which is normal because he is older)
Agree with that.Quote:
Originally Posted by RS
Nikolay won 9 of the 15 stages here. Oliver won 5. Nikolay has the slower car.
And you just know that Nikolay will go to Rome next week and be super competitive on tarmac.
He is the real deal.
Watching young Solberg last week at Goodwood he was amazing in the WRX car on the tarmac hill-climb.
I dont see him having much problem on that surface in a rally (WRC) car.
Massive future ahead without doubt.
everything is possible but money is not enough. we saw it here so many timesQuote:
Originally Posted by RS
I am fully aware of that. Money can not overcome talent, but sometimes you need both.Quote:
Originally Posted by Barreis
However if we don´t see Solberg Jr in WRC in the future it´s goodbye to the sport...Quote:
Originally Posted by RS
https://sport.postimees.ee/6728708/j...890.1477930768Quote:
Originally Posted by KKS
It`s just the Toyota...Quote:
Originally Posted by denkimi
BEST of by Passats de canto https://youtu.be/k2QhTyyiQnE
TOP5 fastest stage win average speeds in @RallyEstonia all by @OttTanak
SS14 141,4 km/h
SS8 138.8 km/h
SS6 135.2 km/h
SS10 132.1 km/h
SS12 132 km/h
credit https://twitter.com/AnttiL_WRC/statu...40598245191680
I want to see some onboards. Judging by the recce video of SS14 you need lower gears than 6 only in the two junction turns. Did any of the forest stages have chicanes?
As I wrote before if Estonia aims to be a WRC rally at some point these kind of avg. speeds will never go past FIA.
Can something be done with the stages that does not involve chicanes?
I believe these speeds are partly to lure wrc teams to participate - all of them have had enough opportunities to practice slow stuff, now they needed to test fast roads for Finland. So fast roads they were provided. I am sure that if actual wrc event even becomes a topic, then organizers can easily bring speeds down just enough to match requirements.
Drivers issue i guess. Lets go of gas too early.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC
Think Aava mentioned in some interview that they'd like to create more of those big spectator zones, where the cars are on a twistier section. Those areas would also work in favour of average speed reduction.Quote:
Originally Posted by Indreq
That would be actually interesting to see what kind of challenges could be invented for drivers on these artificial sections? Banked roads, negative camber switching to positive and back, loooooong bend with ever tightening radius - basically spiral, with bridge leading out from center etc - of course it is easy to go silly with these artificial things but then on stages which are otherwise boring, could use some (artificial) fun somewhere thrown in. And of course - much easier to manage spectators in such place.
Just thinking, i know it is terribly expensive to become widespread practice :P
Estonia, as Latvia, it's a country with a thousands roads for special stages. If organizers want - they can use roads a bit far from service what ever configuration you want. Yep it still be fast, but not that blind fast as SS14. It's not as they have one stage and must deal with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
Finland is a country with many more roads for special stages, yet average speeds and dealing with them has been a topic for quite a while. (first splitting stages, then chicanes and last moving to narrower roads).Quote:
Originally Posted by KKS
They can/could move some of the stages to Võru region which actually has better roads than these roads near Otepää. More bends, twistier etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
But the thing which surprised me the most was to see how many roads are being paved in that region. If it goes on more like this than we don't have many (great) gravel stages left anymore. We were recceing the stages on Friday and were using many very-very nice an legendary stages which were now paved to get to the current rally stages. From the locals point of view this is nice - no more dusty and uncomfortable raod conditions any more, but on the other we are losing unbelievably nice stages year by year
In a way Rally Finland's heritage is a burden. Certain stages are very popular. Taking the rally out of those classic roads might reduce the popularity. Estonia doesn't have this yet. But the natural geography makes up faster stages because the land is flatter and the roads are straighter. Also, I haven't examined the maps closely to see how dense the road network is for creating alternate routes like in many Rally Finland stages.Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
When they build those artificial jumps in Estonia, do they leave them for the remainder of the year or are they built and torn down every year separately?
Yes, they leave them as they were.
KKSF HD video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONlIXLrVNis
with huge jumps, crash and close calls
@EstWRC
any news,rumors from the works teams/drivers at Estonia?
didnt hear anything on the stages from other people or in the media :DQuote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
teams reportedly very satisfied with things, everyone praised the stages and also that so many people were present no matter what the weather was. Suninen said on Saturday: "We have more people here than on some WRC rounds and i think this should be a WRC round"
It was great event, smile on my face all the time, im still recovering from it and cant quite believe we had it. The amount of people was just unbelievable.
We were on SS1 and SS3 saturday, like expected the TOP guys were on another planet, Markko was very careful on the first pass, on second pass was faster and took the little jump and left hand corner like the TOP guys but it went a little "wrong" and he had to correct. Gross nearly went into the trees at the same place on second pass. Originally we had planned to go on SS5 but when we saw the traffic we cancelled it and went to SS6 instead, which was sooooooo right choice. Very fast right hander and then flat out up the mountain. Amazing how late the guys did brake before the corner, when Ott came first i thought he is going straight, the speed was so incredible and then the late braking and this sudden "flick" to the right with the car. Amazing to watch and the drivers arent just normal. To control these beasts with such a speed.
On Sunday we were both passes on SS11 on the Veski jump, which is right in the beginning of this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2QhTyyiQnE. Not so much a special place but since we had some first timers with us who wanted to see a jump the decision was made.
Gryazin was the most impressive driver to watch, the dude isnt afraid of anything, flat out everywhere and biggest jumps. Also credit to the zero car guy with the Dakar Toyota Hilux, he was crazy too :D. One example is here https://youtu.be/k2QhTyyiQnE?t=453. Out of of the WRC drivers, Lappi and the Citroen were the most nervous, correcting the car all the time. Mikkelsen for me was surprisingly neat and tidy for his standards, at least he wasnt so much all over the place like i usually see him on WRC plus on other rounds. And you could where Ott gains time against the others, braking later and not lifting or braking on places where others did and just carrying more speed overall.
Cant wait for next year already, luckily theres only two weeks left until Finland :)
yeah, the zero truck was proper :)
https://www.facebook.com/BenediktasV...6770431541984/
very good vid, zero car guy right at the beginning https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sq89ZTVqu6A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BeSh...ature=youtu.be
Rally Estonia 2019' in pictures - http://janisasaris.com/en/home
JA
Photographs Shell Helix Rally Estonia 12-14.07.2019
(Shakedown, SS1, SS3, SS6, SS9, SS10 ja SS12)
https://samzon.kuvat.fi/kuvat/Shell+...Estonia+07.19/
When talking about roads you have to take into account, that it was even more compact than an average national event. The farthest point was the podium and SS15, less than 50 km from the service park. Expand the radius just 30-40 km and the picture is much more different in terms of characteristics...expand it 100-200 km like an average WRC event and....
the "Evans" jump https://www.facebook.com/rallyemag/v...type=2&theater
official after movie https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=455024931754482
Next years event will be 24 - 26 July.
Can they buy the promotional event tag two years in a row? Or perhaps just "normal Rally Estonia" and as such receiving a couple of factory WRC entries.
it seems they can, at least it is called so https://www.rallyestonia.com/en/spec..._j0iGN7te-hzmk
Now that Tänak is WDC, i think, it is easy.
How does it make it easier to attempt other WRC teams ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tarmop
Could be otherway round now as Ott is WDC.