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5th May 2007, 14:14
wrc_flipper

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buzz Lightyear

how do they get the splits to come up soo randomly like that.... brilliant!

probably a farmer attaching his donkey to the wire again ;)
5th May 2007, 14:16
Buzz Lightyear

as long as the farmer didn't attached his wire to the donkey...!
5th May 2007, 14:18
WRC2006

Quote:

Originally Posted by Corny

We'll see how good C4/Loeb really is next year, on Italian tyres ;)

You are right man!!!
5th May 2007, 14:20
GigiGalliNo1

Would tyres make that big of a difference?
5th May 2007, 14:22
jonas_mcrae

Ss12 On
5th May 2007, 14:25
WRC2006

Quote:

Originally Posted by GigiGalliNo1

Would tyres make that big of a difference?

Of course the tires make a big difference. Especially when the body and everything of the car is built knowing the tires the car will be running with.

Why Subaru did remove almost 30 kg to his new Impreza 07? Just to help the car fit with new tires. Which I expect C4 doing next year on the crap tires.

Didn't you remember time when loeb said that : "....only the tires did help me to win this rally, nothing else..."

And he is the best in WRC in chosing proper tires for his rally.
5th May 2007, 14:25
Finni

Hard to see tyres as decisive factor. Afterall Marcus and Petter are both on Michelin also. Altough it could be possible that Bf Goodrich has done tyre developepemt according to how Citroen C4 likes.

Afterall I expect more to see Petter with proper car. If Subaru decodes PSA's mysterious engine/acceleration advantage with their new model (they have had all time and reason to do it) they could be stronger challenge to Loeb than Ford. Ford looses much in acceleration and Subaru even more due to Boxer-engine.
5th May 2007, 14:28
GigiGalliNo1

Gotcha's! Thanks :)
5th May 2007, 14:29
Waldrons11

Quote:

Originally Posted by Viktory

I just saw the Eurosport coverage of Day 1 ZZZzzzzZZZZzzzzZZZZzzz.....
´There was an intro of about 5-7 minutes with a very very quick look back at Portugal and the story with the Ford's windows. Then they showed the cars going to Buenos Aires (on trucks) and the drivers flying off. Then the majority of the programme just showed the SSS in Buenos Aires (at least 15 minutes), pretty much exactly like the live coverage.... Then they had a short thing about the failure to get back, and then they showed some runs at the Cordoba SSS. Very boring....

What else were they supposed to show - nothing else happened?!!!!
5th May 2007, 14:33
jonas_mcrae

Quote:

Originally Posted by Waldrons11

What else were they supposed to show - nothing else happened?!!!!

HAHAHA absolutly true!
5th May 2007, 14:33
jonkka

Some people say that less is more.
5th May 2007, 14:38
N.O.T

A few years back it was going to be the removal of the active differentiials that would demolish Loeb....

then the new C4......

ow the tyres.....

.....pathetic but amusing also.....

Dreams are free after all....
5th May 2007, 14:41
WRC2006

Quote:

Originally Posted by Finni

Hard to see tyres as decisive factor. Afterall Marcus and Petter are both on Michelin also. Altough it could be possible that Bf Goodrich has done tyre developepemt according to how Citroen C4 likes. ......
..

I am afraid then why when Loeb fail to set up a good time in any stage, he starts mourning for the tires choice? Does that mean the tires may have almost 50% in total result of any driver?

In all interview with drivers, tire choice is a topic and when they talk about the characteristic of any rally they refer as well to tires choice, etc. Do you think really tires choice is a decisive factor in rally?

What I know is that in F1, the tire is the master factor!!

Michelin and Citroen have a strong relationship since 5 or more years ago. More again, Michelin and Citroen are purely FRENCH. In 2005, Citroen was the only top team running with Michelin while Peugeot did a stupid mistake swicthing on Pirelli. This gave an advantage of Loeb to dominate the WRC in that time.

Maybe we can compare Marcus and Loeb on Michelin but not with Petter because this is his first year on Michelin and he still learning about Michelin.
5th May 2007, 14:44
jonkka

Sordo is missing the beat completely.
5th May 2007, 14:44
Livewireshock

Gronholm only 0.6 of a second behind Loeb. This is a close event!
5th May 2007, 14:45
jparker

Quote:

Originally Posted by Finni

Hard to see tyres as decisive factor. Afterall Marcus and Petter are both on Michelin also. Altough it could be possible that Bf Goodrich has done tyre developepemt according to how Citroen C4 likes.

Team Citroen know what they want, that's way they are getting it. It's not decisive advantage overall, but in some casese it could be crutual. In other words, Citroen has put a lot of effort, research, and funds to develop a good tire for its car, and all that will be taken next year. Why?
Because all other teams are loosers and FIA can't afford to keep it this way.
5th May 2007, 14:45
Finni

No single driver comment yet. Fine. ****ing fine.
5th May 2007, 14:46
N.O.T

Loeb fastest once again so far from the ford kids....just 0.6 from Gronholm though
5th May 2007, 14:47
GigiGalliNo1

anything on crash?
5th May 2007, 14:47
Wim_Impreza

Quote:

Originally Posted by WRC2006

I am afraid then why when Loeb fail to set up a good time in any stage, he starts mourning for the tires choice? Does that mean the tires may have almost 50% in total result of any driver?

In all interview with drivers, tire choice is a topic and when they talk about the characteristic of any rally they refer as well to tires choice, etc. Do you think really tires choice is a decisive factor in rally?

What I know is that in F1, the tire is the master factor!!

Michelin and Citroen have a strong relationship since 5 or more years ago. More again, Michelin and Citroen are purely FRENCH. In 2005, Citroen was the only top team running with Michelin while Peugeot did a stupid mistake swicthing on Pirelli. This gave an advantage of Loeb to dominate the WRC in that time.

Maybe we can compare Marcus and Loeb on Michelin but not with Petter because this is his first year on Michelin and he still learning about Michelin.

Very good post, respect.
5th May 2007, 14:53
jparker

Quote:

Originally Posted by WRC2006

In all interview with drivers, tire choice is a topic and when they talk about the characteristic of any rally they refer as well to tires choice, etc. Do you think really tires choice is a decisive factor in rally?

What I know is that in F1, the tire is the master factor!!

Tires are not decisive factor in rallying. WRC has nothing to do with F1 in terms of tires. Loeb will continue to dominate next year with Pirelli, not because of Loeb, but because they have a better car.
5th May 2007, 14:54
N.O.T

Its good to see Solberg to at least be faster than Hirvonen....
5th May 2007, 14:54
ste898

If any team threw as much money at WRC as Citroen they would be as good...........its about time the FIA got its finger out of its arse and capped the budgets in line with Subaru and Ford!!!!! Then Citroen be **** on!!
5th May 2007, 14:55
N.O.T

Quote:

Originally Posted by jparker

Tires are not decisive factor in rallying. WRC has nothing to do with F1 in terms of tires. Loeb will continue to dominate next year with Pirelli, not because of Loeb, but because they have a better car.

I cannot see why the C4 is Better than the FOcus.....
5th May 2007, 14:58
jparker

Quote:

Originally Posted by ste898

If any team threw as much money at WRC as Citroen they would be as good...........its about time the FIA got its finger out of its arse and capped the budgets in line with Subaru and Ford!!!!! Then Citroen be **** on!!

Agree 100%. But does it have to be that way? If Ford and Subaru wants to be on top, they should pay for it.
5th May 2007, 15:01
jonkka

Quote:

Originally Posted by jparker

If Ford and Subaru wants to be on top, they should pay for it.

Some say that you can't buy happiness. Or success.
5th May 2007, 15:02
jparker

Quote:

Originally Posted by N.O.T

I cannot see why the C4 is Better than the FOcus.....

Well, how can we find this out? Almost imposible. After all, it's the whole package.
5th May 2007, 15:03
jparker

Quote:

Originally Posted by jonkka

Some say that you can't buy happiness. Or success.

True :)
but I guess that's not the case in rallying.
5th May 2007, 15:06
jonkka

Quote:

Originally Posted by jparker

True :)
but I guess that's not the case in rallying.

It is. Mercedes found it out. Audi as well, in the end.
5th May 2007, 15:10
WRC2006

Quote:

Originally Posted by jparker

Team Citroen know what they want, that's way they are getting it. It's not decisive advantage overall, but in some casese it could be crutual. In other words, Citroen has put a lot of effort, research, and funds to develop a good tire for its car, and all that will be taken next year. Why?
Because all other teams are loosers and FIA can't afford to keep it this way.

Even Ford knows what they want and I thaught Ford is more investing in rally than any team else. But still no one can break that strong relationship between Citroen and Michelin.

I agree Loeb is a best Driver really, but we should agree that the car and tires is helping him so much.

Did you expect Hirvonen to challenge Loeb and Marcus before coming in Ford? Did you expect Marcus to have the same pace like Like he has today with Peugeot 407? Just to show you that the car and tires have a word in the final result.
5th May 2007, 15:11
jonkka

Sordo is going to lose a place
5th May 2007, 15:13
jonkka

And did, too.
5th May 2007, 15:19
WRC2006

Sordo is still learning according to Citroen. So don't expect anything from him.
5th May 2007, 15:23
cut the b.s.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ste898

If any team threw as much money at WRC as Citroen they would be as good...........its about time the FIA got its finger out of its arse and capped the budgets in line with Subaru and Ford!!!!! Then Citroen be **** on!!

there are plenty of 1 make series out there if you want to watch 'fair' rallying, and even with matching pockets Citroen would have Loeb, that still wouldnt be fair on the other teams ;-)
5th May 2007, 15:23
jacko

What a crap talking always about money.. Loeb is the best driver out there, think it will be the same when he drove for Subaru or Ford. The difference between the top drivers and cars are small but still clear enough. When Makinen won 4 titles it was not with the team with the most money, far from that! Even last year Loeb was the best with a 2005 spec. car against the 2006 Ford's..
I really hope Loeb will have some little bad luck because it's a bit boring these days...
5th May 2007, 15:24
JAM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WRC2006

I am afraid then why when Loeb fail to set up a good time in any stage, he starts mourning for the tires choice? Does that mean the tires may have almost 50% in total result of any driver?

In all interview with drivers, tire choice is a topic and when they talk about the characteristic of any rally they refer as well to tires choice, etc. Do you think really tires choice is a decisive factor in rally?

What I know is that in F1, the tire is the master factor!!

Michelin and Citroen have a strong relationship since 5 or more years ago. More again, Michelin and Citroen are purely FRENCH. In 2005, Citroen was the only top team running with Michelin while Peugeot did a stupid mistake swicthing on Pirelli. This gave an advantage of Loeb to dominate the WRC in that time.

Maybe we can compare Marcus and Loeb on Michelin but not with Petter because this is his first year on Michelin and he still learning about Michelin.

BFGoodrich / Citroen could have a kind of relationship as Renault had with Michelin in F1. This year we see the Renault value with Bridgestone... maybe next year we see the value of Citroen with Pirelli. But in 2008 maybe PSA would decide to reduce the investmente in motorpsort and then the lack of money will be the reason for less perfomance :D

French conspiration theory :D
5th May 2007, 15:27
Isthmus

Quote:

Originally Posted by WRC2006

Sordo is still learning according to Citroen. So don't expect anything from him.

Talking about the money, Guy Frenquelin sad that the original program to Sordo in 2007 was drive a Xsara like he did last year to learn, and engage an experient driver to be a number2 C4 to win the constructor title! But, Frenquelin sad, they had no money to do that...! So, Sordo has to keep learning as well gaining points...he sad Sordo has to learn faster!
Ford for example, has 2 Stobard Fords, wich at least Latvala is learning and being more competitive.
So, why do you say that Citroën has more money than the others teams? Where are the links/sources to suport that?
All i know is that Citroën has around half of the money they had in 2005.
5th May 2007, 15:29
N.O.T

Loeb once again......Nice fight between SOlberg and Gronholm...Sordo off the p[ace
5th May 2007, 15:32
Isthmus

Quote:

Originally Posted by JAM

BFGoodrich / Citroen could have a kind of relationship as Renault had with Michelin in F1. This year we see the Renault value with Bridgestone... maybe next year we see the value of Citroen with Pirelli. But in 2008 maybe PSA would decide to reduce the investmente in motorpsort and then the lack of money will be the reason for less perfomance :D

French conspiration theory :D

Talking about F1...Toyota has, by far, more money to send in F1 and get results...and after a few years there "learning", not even a single race they won.
5th May 2007, 15:35
ste898

Yep Loeb out in front again......once it gets to the usual 40+ seconds I switch off and dont bother looking again

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