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Yeah, we do not know. It just came to my mind. It is the rally with the most extreme cuts and fo tarmac rally they use much lighter sumpguards, so, I see some logic here. I remember when there were several retirements in WRC (Loeb etc.) when the sumpquard was not good enough and they retired because of damaged engine (oil on the tarmac). Was it Spain? or Corsica? Markko won then.Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
Is it early to say the project(208) failed?
Not yet.. the car is fast.. but extremely unreliable. Remember that M-Sport also had a lot of mechanical failiures at the beginning and they had huge amount of cars testing everywhere in the world.Quote:
Originally Posted by nafpaktos
Just for information - in WRC, S2000 and R5 cars most of the time you use thicker sumpguards for tarmac and thinner for gravel. Simply because 6mm plate is strong enough for gravel and is lighter than 8mm and gravel spec car is normally heavier, so you don't need extra weight from sump and diff guards.
Rear spoiler mounting design in 208 and DS3 is not done properly, always they have problems with it on bumpy tarmac...
Simpson on the ditch.
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Kevin Abbring facebook
A huge thanks to Sainteloc Racing, Peugeot Sport, Peugeot NL, my co Seb Marshall and everyone who came to support us @RallyYpres!! It was such a great feeling!! The car did a really good job aswell! This 50th anniversary should have been ours! Third time we retired from the lead this year, quite unlucky so far. We don't know yet what the problem is, enjoy the last couple of stages everyone! Again, thank u all, one of the greatest and fastest weekends of my life!
Thank you for technical information! I didnt know that:-) So, basically that means it was stronger but not strong enough..Quote:
Originally Posted by br21
@br21 i saw in the past sump-guards made from plastic-fiberglass or something like that.it is not used anymore?i think i saw this in a wrc car!and one more question i thought that a wrc has the same weight irrespective gravel or tarmac specs,and this is because of the regulations <Minimum weight is 1200 kg empty and 1350 kg with driver and co-driver >.so i suppose all cars are 1200 kg.
what br 21 wants to say is because wrc/s2000 cars are much lighter than 1200kg,they choose to put weight where is less disadvantage for the car.This is the lower points =sumpguards for diffs and engine.Thats why you can find thicker sumpguards at ashpalt.Quote:
Originally Posted by nafpaktos
Because an asphalt car is lighter than in gravel spec,they choose to install heavier sumpguards to be ok with the weight they have to be.
thats a trick well known from focus wrc 03.
Peugeot completed the carnage.
Geko Ypres Rally @gekoypresrally · 1 λεπ.
Official: Pieter Tsjoen has retired on SS15 Reninge 2 #ypresrally
dimviii explained it all. gravel spec car is heavier than tarmac spec as it has more protections - for suspension, for the floor, etc, etc. So you need less kgs from sump/diff guard. On the other hand basic car weights lets say 1230kgs (min. for S2k, R5, etc.) and then you need to have it 1390 with crew... if you have lighter crew you have to add some kgs, best way is to do it with sump/diff guard, etc, etc. In S2000 car for tarmac we had rear diff guard made from steel and with lead plates attached for better weight distribution and to achieve minimall mass, so that guard was over 80kgs...
Info about tsjoen seems to be wrong..
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I must say I'm very disappointed over Peugeot technical failures. I placed K.Abring on the first place, he was so confident whole weekend, car was perfect, he ''ran over'' Loix who is multiple winner on this event. What a shame....Breen's case is just a sad continuation....
On the other hand-Peugeot has a nightmare; Malcom is smiling....
Aside from the reliability issues, I am not convinced the Peugeot is that well sorted yet and that it's advantage over S2000 cars is mainly/solely in it's torque and top speed. Watch these onboards, the 208 is very squirmy under braking, although maybe this is because they are braking from a higher speed: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6d72Xklwlw
[SS19] Kemmelberg 2
Peter Tsjoen - comes through with the engine off rolling down the hill into the stop. He restarted the engine, gave a thumbs up and then headed straight off...
too many problems for Peugeot, and they said all the time they wouldn't release the car until it was ready, apart from the Acropolis win, things don't look good for their T16 machine...
They did well to get the car out of that ditch !Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
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And Peter Tsjoen finishes the rally - something the 'factory' 208T16 cars couldnt do ... :rolleyes:
So Loix wins no.9 in Ypres... a win for experience for sure.
[SS20] Hollebeke 2
Jan CERNY (PEUGEOT)
Rolled half way into the stage, both crew fine.
Stéphane Lefebvre started the final stage leading the ERC Junior category after overhauling Andrea Crugnola for top spot on the penultimate run. Despite completing the entire stage with the bonnet resting on the windscreen of his Peugeot after it flew open at the first corner, he finished tied on time with Crugnola and takes the win on countback by dint of winning the opening stage. Jan Černý rolled into retirement on the final stage while a broken driveshaft leaving the start ended Marijan Griebel’s hopes of a podium and allowed Chris Ingram to take third place behind Crugnola in a dramatic finish
Congratulations to Freddy Loix/Johan Gitsels and Škoda for the 5th victory in a row in Ypres. For most people they were favourite and then again they win, great.
Cédric Cherain finally had some luck in a good car and finished in a well deserved 2th place. Wiegand isn't that slow as some people think. He showed this again this weekend.
Star of the rally for me is Luca Rossetti. We knew he is very fast, but with a private Škoda, only his second time in Ypres - he was winner in Ypres in 2007 - and his first rally of the season with this car, he impressed me a lot. He was the whole rally at the same pace as Loix, which says it all. What a pity of his mistake in SS6.
Amazing battle in JERC and all in all the top drivers in R2 squad are outstanding!
Is Max Vatanen really the son of Ari?
Me too! I have always been a fan of Rossetti but I was a little surprised how fast he was now he is getting older and has been away from ERC/IRC for some time. Hope to see more of him this year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wim_Impreza
It is indeed incredible that 2 JERC drivers have exactly the same time at the finish of the rally.Quote:
Originally Posted by giù tutto!
Yes, he is.
Geko Ypres Rally @gekoypresrally · 1 λεπ.
Colin Mcrae flat out throphee for @KevinAbbring Congratulations Kevin. #ypresrally
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I'm a fan of Rossetti as well and was impressed by his stage times just like you, but it wasn't Rossetti's second time in Ypres for sure. He was there at least 4 times:Quote:
Originally Posted by Wim_Impreza
2014 - 5th place
2011 - 8th place
2008 - 3rd place
2007 - 1st place
Did they? I don't recall seeing many videos, it seemed quite rushed out to me!Quote:
Originally Posted by bluuford
I guess MSport had the benefit of experience with the Fiesta WRC though which must have helped them at least a little.
We were lucky so many cars survived day one (and stage 1), which is not always the case for Ypres. Unfortunately things changed in the first loop of the second day with Lappi, Pons and the 2 Peugeots. What a shame for Abbring, he deserved a win here. If you can put Loix behind in a such a fashion on Belgian (Ypres) stages you've showed true potential. I hope he gets a lot more opportunities in the future!
Last stage was also amazing, again, we saw Lefebre with the hood up, we saw Tsjoen pushing for stage win, we saw Cerny going into a field (not the roll), Kobus and Wiegand were still battling for third.
For the Belgian championship things are looking good as well. If Tsjoen can improve his pace (no doubt), Casier as well (no doubt) and maybe Verschueren as well we will have a fantastic field of RC2 cars and hopefully great battles will come with it.
Unlucky heroes of Ypres: Abbring, Rosetti
Very dissapointing performance: Cerny
Rossetti was a nice surprise, although he has the experience I never counted him to the favorites. But he had the same pace as Loix! Also Lappi did very well. Hope to see both drivers back next year.
Photos from Ypres rally HERE: http://www.rally-mania.cz/photogallery.php?id=1272
ulian Porter @The_Rally_Guru · 10 ώρες
Amazing @SLefebvreRallye drove the final 27 kms of @gekoypresrally like this to win the junior category.
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Stéphane Lefebvre on the Limit - Geko Ypres Rally 2014
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Would be good to see this guy in a 208T16 in next year's ERC :)Quote:
Originally Posted by gianni123
I agree with WUff1: this rally had two true heroes : Rossetti and K.Abbring. What is even more surprising that Rossetti didn't drove any rally since Rally del Ciocco in March 2013...imagine him with no ''rust under belts'' and in a factory car; not a private car, which is miles away compared to Lappi's or even Loix Škoda...
Solid result for Wiegand.
Many top drivers didn't finish Ypres Rally, so this event didn't change much in ERC standings:
1. Lappi 103,
2. Breen 70,
3. Wiegand 70,
4. Griazin 53,
5. Kajetanowicz 48,
6. Kubica 39,
7. Abbring 38,
8. Sousa 37,
Loix 37,
10. Consani 37
Video Ypres Rally
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vk-7cCW6-Rk
Totally agree. Ypres and Rox will always be a nice relationship, every year he tried to start, if that fails he came everytime to spectate. Great driver and one of my favorite ones :) was gutted that he made a mistake Friday because he was fighting for victory!Quote:
Originally Posted by Ucci
Bad rally for Cerny and maybe his last Junior ERC Rally besides Barum? He said that only because Peugeot CZ did a big investment he could start in Ypres.. If I understand well on autosport.cz