Front drag is killing the C3.
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Front drag is killing the C3.
maybe they should hire this guy?
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BZS1Ku2IgAASlss.jpg:large
Well they've already admitted the risks they took in engineering and setup haven't worked. A driver doesn't dictate that, that's a management decision and Matton is now up shit Creek seeing how poorly Mikkelsen is doing. Quite amazing that Meeke has won with this car and was a mechanical failure away from back to back wins...Quote:
Originally Posted by Mintexmemory
I don't think they thought they had the best car at all. Everyone just presumed that because the didn't let Seb test it, but maybe they didn't let him test because they knew it had many issues? Instead of not letting him test because they wanted to hide how brilliant it was or whatever people were saying...Quote:
Originally Posted by itix
Also, Meeke told someone on this very forum that the VW was going to be unbeatable...
Citroen is probably good tarmac car...
They are also the only tean having different tarmac and gravel suspension geometry. As far as I can understand, c3 is "evolution" of c4 wrc concept. They just fail to set it up consistently.
i read that the changes called for by Andreas that have been implemented are very similar to those that Kris was asking for.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tarmop
You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink.
Aero would make sense here in Poland but the car has struggled in slow rallies such as Sardegna even with good road position.Quote:
Originally Posted by Norm75
In Mexico it did well, but Mexico is not so rough either. Argentina, Portugal and Sardegna were all rough and the car was struggling. To me it suggests dampers, but I'm no expert.
If it was an evolution of the C4 that would explain a lot because that car is over 10 years old now. Although I agree that it is likely a good tarmac car.Quote:
Originally Posted by J_n_z
Technical director gone and Breen out for Germany.
http://www.rallysportmag.com.au/home...ed-for-germany
What? Didn't they said just 2 days ago that they will have 4 cars including Breen?
Idiotic management continue produce idiotic decisions
On Breen it's a reaction of his stage-end speaking of scary C3?
That is retarded. I'd defend the decisions to give Meeke and Lefebvre the boot any day of the week but Breen has done absolutely nothing wrong all year.
Kick Matton before too late, not giving drive most promising snd already most consistent driver shows total lack of long term planing... I predict Meeke or Breen in Toyota next year.
Was only a matter of time before Breen got dragged into the sh*t. The season is a complete write-off.
Really there must be so many issues inside the organisation. I'm sure the budget just isn't the same as a couple of the other teams, angry personalities, management pressure, development indecision.
Eh? Breen, a tarmac specialist (I know, he's good on all surfaces) dropped for Germany for someone who's preferred surface is gravel (I know, he's good on all surfaces)? This weird Citroen "we can't offend Lefebvre" attitude is strange.
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Like my wife suggested, I'm guessing it's a "we treat all drivers equally" policy.Quote:
Originally Posted by dodge33cymru
Finally Matton is responsible for all the chaos - he should get sacked.
How does that work, two upper fastening points?Quote:
Originally Posted by J_n_z
I know a lot of the funding comes from Abu-Dhabi but honestly what was the problem to tell Sheikh Khalid Al Qassimii to make way for Mikkeslen in Germany, 'cause if they continue like this there won't be a Citroen team in the WRC come 2018...
They really have no clue, do they?
Just kick Lefebvre out and forget about him. Meeke, Mikkelsen and Breen would make a very decent line up.
They want a Frenchman in the car no matter what...Quote:
Originally Posted by EightGear
They want to see themselves out of the championship that's what...Quote:
Originally Posted by macebig
AlQassimii not entry for Germany, only for FinlandQuote:
Originally Posted by Eli
Citroen from Meeke, Leferbve, Mikkelsen, Breen just cut to 3 cars without Breen
It was in the technical thread a while ago I think. They attach the damper on opposite sides of the hub depending on configuration.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sulland
Two lower fastening points on front suspension. Gravel "Fiesta" style, tarmac "Fabia r5" style.
Amen to that.Quote:
Originally Posted by WUff1
they can't make Al Qassimii angry, cause that would also mean the end of the citroen team.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eli
Isn't the situation right now ain't making him angry? I mean, he has probably invested quite some sum of money so....Quote:
Originally Posted by denkimi
Simply unbelievable that they'd drop Breen and not Lefebvre.
They've already dropped Lefebvre and Meeke, so now seems to be Breens turn. I don't think it's a reflection on Breens performance so far this season.Quote:
Originally Posted by RAS007
This.Quote:
Originally Posted by Norm75
I bet Citroen PR wish people would stop referring to these drivers as being 'dropped'. But fundamentally that is what has happened.
Call it rotation.....like when WRC events were dropped for a year... ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Simmi
like Rally NZ ??Quote:
Originally Posted by AndyRAC
I'm still baffled at the fact that Andreas's car is posting times just as fast as Breen and Leferve. I would assume he would be faster with the updated components. Might be conditions, but either way it looks bad for Citroen. Still enough rallies to prove a point, but doesn't seem likely
It's embarrassing for themQuote:
Originally Posted by racerx1979
And for Mikkelsen, given his interviews before the rally.Quote:
Originally Posted by er88
I just hope they will take a lot of this (bad) experience and learn from it ASAP, so in 2018 we have 4 Manu. which are actually capable of winning the title.
As I wrote elsewhere:Quote:
Originally Posted by racerx1979
https://www.ewrc-results.com/leg/364...nd-2017/?leg=2
Lefebre 2.7s faster than Mikkelsen for Saturday, Breen 20s down.
Mikkelsen was off the road in field twice today, prbly some 10s lost in that combined. Road position certainly matters for Breen, maybe a bit for Mikkelsen. (Breen 1st on road, Mikkelsen 2nd, Lefebvre 5th)
As I also wrote that I think today they did ok all 3. Beat all "2nd level" drivers including Sordo. But clearly far behind the top 5.
Even more importantly basically all 3 had consistent speed whole day, not like before when one stage is epic and next is hopeless. So there are signs of improvement, question is if they are too little too late.
Yesterday in the wet during the afternoon Mikkelsen was far faster than the other two, and that's the kind of conditions where the less twitchy handling should help, maybe not so much difference on the not-so twisty dry roads today. Also Lefevbre won a stage here last year and did 1-2 other good times, in a way it was his best rally of the season.
Best rally for Leferve and a few decent stages by Mikkelsen, but still off the pace for the whole gang. Finland will be interesting with Meeke. Does he go all out or try bring it home safe with a top five finish. His past stats would suggest otherwise. At this point as long as he's ahead of the rest of the Citroen squad he's in a good situation. What would you guys do if you were in Meekes shoes??
Lol come on now, are you actually sugar coating this slugfest for 10th place? This is one of the best drivers in the world? It's an embarrassment. Let's face facts.Quote:
Originally Posted by mknight
Maybe you didn't manage to read what I wrote. I will highlight it for you.Quote:
Originally Posted by er88
I think today they did ok all 3. Beat all "2nd level" drivers including Sordo. But clearly far behind the top 5.
... there are signs of improvement, question is if they are too little too late.
(extra emphasis on today - Saturday)
The fact that they are "fighting" for 6-7 place (for Lefevbre) and 9-10 for Mikkelsen has all to do with Friday.