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Very good coverage! I think I best learn some Swedish ready to watch the WRC coverage ;)
Well, bloody marvelous, no WRC coverage in UK , but I can live stream a Rally Sprint from Sweden, just by following the link. This is rediculous!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by BleAivano
Great driving by Tidemand.
Puts everything into perspective for us in the UK doesn't it!Quote:
Originally Posted by bassist
Yea that's strange that UK does not have any coverage of the WRC! :S
Really great drive by Pontus, and I hope for a top 10 in Rally Sweden!
I hope you all have enjoyed some swedish championship tv today! ;)
About the cables. There's only one cable for the camera through which image signal, power and communication with the control room go.Quote:
Originally Posted by BleAivano
An example from the luge world cup, e.g. Sigulda race. The track is 1,2km long with 16 turns. Can't remember how many cameras there were but quite many. Planned time for cabling was two days. Sth like 15km of cables were put down, I think. Now think how it would be with a long stage, not to talk about several stages per rally.
Really enjoyed that live coverage, and it's got me even more excited for WRC Sweden!
Some of the top runners there looked very quick, until Tidemand came through. On a completely different level to the rest.
Rhod
But I dont's think it's necessary with cameras in every corner. Like on the sprint today, 3-4 cameras is sufficient on a stage in my opinion, it doesn't matter if it's 7 km or 40 km. It's exciting with an image of an empty road with a clock ticking waiting for the car as well. The most important thing is to have the timing functional, today that part wasn't perfect.Quote:
Originally Posted by Franky
If you want a decent high quality broadcast you need lots of different cameras to attract even the average Joe. For Christ sake, rally fans would be happy even if they could see only onboard cameras live.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vargåsen
For high end you'd need several cameras at the key locations, onboard cameras, preferably a helicopter and logically a stage end interview camera
I agree that there is no need for a camera in every bend but I think on a stage like Vargåsen which about 25kmQuote:
Originally Posted by Vargåsen
I think maybe 5 cameras would be minimum. I also agree with what say about the fixed camera position and the clock.
However in the end if you have 5,6, or 7 cameras isn't a big difference. If you want a camera in the middle of the stage,
you still need to put a cable out to it. That is 12km of cable. Then you could just as well put a camera or two in between.
Remember France last year? All stages live. Onboard, helicopters and one fixed camera in the middle of the stages. 2 or 3 more cameras would have been better, but other than that is was excellent.
And these were all stages, imagine just 1 or 2 stages shown each day of a rally. France proved (not just last year but also in 2011!!) it is absolutely possible.
When you take rally to forests like in Sweden or Finland, helicopter isn't anymore best for filming. With handful of fixed cameras and helicopter it of course could be possible, but - it's WRC. With forum(s), Twitter, Facebooks, friends and WRR, we don't really need one-place-for-all live tv, now do we.Quote:
Originally Posted by EightGear
We don't, but to make the sport more popular it is kind of vital. You are from Finland so things related to rallying are bit more positive there I'd guess. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Hartusvuori
Hmm... let's see. I don't use paychannels, so let's see what I get from free-from-all channels.Quote:
Originally Posted by EightGear
WRC: 10 minutes with few shots and interviews aired around 10.30PM, mostly commercials. 30 minute end of day reviews aired between 0.30-3.00 AM. Not very prime time, and if you want to record it, put some extra because it always starts late. Last year they showed one-hour review of each rally about a week after the event on Saturday midday (again, not prime time). I trusted that if I remembered it. From MTV3 pay channel I think there's some extra or at least better broadcasting times.
FRC: 30 minute review a week after the event.
IRC/ERC: Nothing. (Few years ago one sports channel aired Eurosport reviews some 1-2 months after the event.)
F-Cup: Nothing for free.
Rallysprints: Nothing?
Rallycross: Nothing?
So, I watch a rallysprint from Swedish forests anytime when broadcasted online :-) Rallying is truly being pushed to the marginal here as well.
And of course I was being sarcastic in my previous post. Of course WRC needs a world-class television production.
Could one of my Scandinavian friends assist me please? SS17 Mitandersfors is run at 8am on Sunday - will it be light by then? I intend going to the fast left hander just before the finish, and as the stage is approx 30km long I'm guessing the cars will take around 20 minutes to arrive?
The reason I ask is I'm a photographer, and need to know the light levels, if it's too dark it'll be pointless going there!
In the present days of popularity crysis, the WRC needs a world class footage broadcasted on the internet. Because:Quote:
Originally Posted by Hartusvuori
1. Propaganda - all WRC fans around the world have an internet connection, but not all of them have access to that particular channel. Also, in internet you can watch recorded footage at any time you want, while timeshift for TV is not that widespread.
2. Advertising - websites measure more precisely the number of people who have opened the page and seen the commercials.
I am not a scandinavian, but my tablet's applications gave me these informations:Quote:
Originally Posted by Fly_Half
- the sun will be low on the horizon (1.1°) at 8:20 am
- there are trees on the side of the road and that will give unfortunatly less light for your photos
http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/600702photo1.jpg
http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/259972photo.jpg
Here is a pic taken at the stage last year at 07:58.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fly_Half
http://www.ir7.at/swe12_1.jpg
The stage started at 08:04 last year. Light was no problem at the place about 20 kms into the stage, but it is more open area than at the finish.
http://www.ir7.at/swe12_2.jpg
Last years best time was 14:13 min.
I'm looking forward to seeing him in Rally Sweden behind the wheel of a WRC... :eek:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?featur...&v=XWGITAcqEQQ
you can use this to see when the sun sets/rises: http://rl.se/sol_maane choose karlstad in the first box
and then 2013-02-08 in the second. Then click byt.
What will Sandell be doing this year? I have not read anything about the WRC.
He is still in a rally car!Quote:
Originally Posted by Plan9
From Kielder, Yesterday
Piece of news about Sandell's speeding: Rallyföraren Patrik Sandell åkte fast för fortkörning och missar SM-tävling - Nyheter P4 Jämtland
Five days ago, as somebody asked him what was his program for 2013, he answered: "there are several options. Rally in China could be one. But I have not decided yet" (http://www.rallysm.se/index.php/nyheter)
Why is Tidemand testing with narrow tyres?
The footage is from a Rallysprint that he won yesterday.Quote:
Originally Posted by Juha_Koo
Thanks. I was hoping Prodrive would put him in with Nikara for some round this year. Otherwise its another good driver being under utilized.Quote:
Originally Posted by ruesluporp
Two questions:
Any idea where this part is?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?featur...Y3ccUxmI#t=33s
(You can hit me with a PM if you don't want to shout it out loud.)
Also, the shortening of Sågen stage by 450 metres, does it mean the famous hairpin at the end is not run?
Yes, it does. From the official website:Quote:
Originally Posted by Hartusvuori
"The stage finish at Sågen is moved back 450 meters. Last years’ spectator area can not be used due to fresh plantations. Follow the marshals’ instructions to the new spectator area".
Ohh noooo!!! The last 500m was really good area. :-(
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kielder
Yes, indeed. I still remember the onboard footage of Gronholm on Motors TV in 2010, when he won his favourite stage for the last time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Salist
This is possibly the best video recorded there by spectators that I've ever watched:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zR7D0HN9s94
After wathcing Sågen onboard I think there are still plenty of nice places if you go in the stage from the finish. Btw, anyone who has been there, how is the parking organised and how far spectators have to go to reach the stage? I'm planning to manage Hagfors sprint stage after Sågen, but still not sure is this possible. :)
Yeah cool spot that last hairpin. I'm in that video at the inside of the corner :)
We went there the second run. Hated the walk up though. First you had to follow some old train track or something with lots of snow it and than the steep climb.. :D
Parking at Sågen is like most other spectator areas in Rally Sweden, a total mess since there is no parking.Quote:
Originally Posted by Koceens
Depending on your arrival time, there is a walk of approximately 1,800 meters to the last hairpin of the stage (25 minutes).Quote:
Originally Posted by Koceens
Jari-Matti last year: Jari-Matti Latvala - SS16 Sågen -2012 - YouTube
Has someone successfully reached the Sågen stage by car using the access road which leads to the middle of the stage? I tried to do that in 2011, but that year was plenty of snow and this access road wasn't cleaned.
I won't bet on that road being cleared. I spoke to an official regarding that access road yesterday, and he reckoned it won't be cleared. So, the only choice you have for Sågen is the start, the access road from the north a couple of km in, and the finish.
I have just been told that it's a private team that will run/prepare Pintus Tidemans Fiesta WRC, since M-Sport couldn't handle more cars. Anybody know which team will run/prepare Tidemans car?
Maybe the Ingemar Svensson's team whose car is driver by Tidemand?Quote:
Originally Posted by MikeD