JanvanVurpa was rather agressive on the chit-chat forum. I think he got banned for his behaviour over there, rather than for his rally-orientated posts.
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JanvanVurpa was rather agressive on the chit-chat forum. I think he got banned for his behaviour over there, rather than for his rally-orientated posts.
More info about the project: Nandan soll Hyundai WRC bauen*:: rallye-magazin.de
- In 2014, while the team starts to compete in the WRC, will develop a second WRC based on the new i20, which will arrive on the market in 2015.
- Nandan will be announced in January.
- Hyundai Motor Sport has rented warehouses in Alzenau.
Can they just develop the car for the future like Citroen have for 2013 during 2012?
VW have in 2012 for 2013?
All they would have to do is CHANGE the SHELL/BODY of the car to a new chassis. If the body is just an update (who cares if the road model is NEW) just update the chassis and change the body panels!
Are they really not thinking?
Run a 2014 body on a 2015 chassis you mean? Not that simple i think :)Quote:
Originally Posted by GigiGalliNo1
Sometimes it is really easy. For example PQ-25 and PQ-26 platforms of VAG (two generations of small cars) are very similar and switching from one to another must be quite easy. However with Hyundai we see big steps with every generation of car so there I guess it will be more difficult. Still relatively easy task in my opinion.
By the way I'm pretty sure Škoda will test R5 also in existing older-platform based S2000 bodyshell because new Fabia III is still highly classified.
I think I know what your getting at - design a car around the current chassis and move its geometry to the new chassis when appropriate so that when it comes time to use the new chassis there is already R+D done for that suspension geometry.Quote:
Originally Posted by GigiGalliNo1
Too bad VAG didn't allow Skoda to progress WRC. I also hope they will develop R5 and rule in WRC2 !!Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
I hope (and think) Skoda will compete in ERC... ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by A.F.F.
I hope they do WRC2 !!Quote:
Originally Posted by tommeke_B
I don't think that WRC2 is a place for factory team.
Why not? If a manufacturer is not cabable of WRC they can take part WRC2 with less expenses and yet promote. Also, that would be a brilliant step for young talents to dive in to WRC. I loved when F2 cars were along group-A cars even the formula was a bit unfair.
I don't agree. Manufacturers need real promotion - that means they need to win overall. Nobody cares that a car brand wins WRC2 if it is placed 10th overall in Rallye Monte Carlo behind it's main business rivals, but if You can say You won Rallye Sanremo it's something of much higher marketing value no matter it is different championship. Most of the public have no clue about calendars, competition levels etc. They just see Škoda over Peugeot and Ford or Škoda behind Citroën, Ford, VW and Mini. What is better for them is clear.
Besides that WRC2 shall be accessible for young drivers and privateers who want to come to WRC. If You give them works opposition which destroys them whenever it wants it's hardly any motivation. Of course Your point with feeding VW is fully valid. I just hope it's not going to end only that way...
Third point is that for global company like VAG it shall be better to split its forces to all popular championships instead of wasting resources for in-house war.
What if they were Skoda Fabias run by Volkswagen Motorsport as a means of finding new talent?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
I guess Hyundai is working on a next generation i20.
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Having manufacturers in WRC2 might lure them in to WRC like it did with F2, remember Skoda and Seat. You never know!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
About young drivers and their hopes/motivation having crushed by professionals.... well, that is their wake up call! Good drivers shall always be noticed, plus the fact they can select the most proper rallys to them.
Your third point I can't argue. But I don't believe they think that in Skoda HQ. I'm certain given the chance, they think they would kick VW's a$$ ;)
PS, sorry about the off-topic but I don't have anything good to say Hyundai's WRC project so far :p
Nobody has anything to say about the Hyundai project yet... ;) Only those "smart" guys who rate the whole thing based on a promo video say something, but nothing with any value... :)Quote:
Originally Posted by A.F.F.
I also think Skoda will stay in ERC, for marketing reasons. Tell me, in the history of rallying, when did the B-class in a same championship ever get some reasonable marketing exposure? VW got some attention now, but only because they are going to join the WRC next year and because it's Ogier. The IRC (now ERC) is a perfect step-up for WRC already, see Neuville, Mikkelsen, Meeke, and Hänninen now. If you can show your talent there, your probably more visible for teams than in WRC2/SWRC, where the competition level looked far below ERC imho.
I know. Škoda is not allowed to make WRC because of VW.Quote:
Originally Posted by A.F.F.
That is Sepp Wiegand. Run by Škoda Importer team (Škoda Deutschland, Juka Motorsport car). VW doesn't plan any starts with Fabia.Quote:
Originally Posted by Prisoner Monkeys
I don't think having a manufacture team in WRC2 is quite right. I mean, how are private teams that chases their budget, and maybe even struggles for it, gonna to stand a chance against manufacture teams with big budgets? That's probably also why the WRC only had two manufacture teams for a while, the costs were to big and you couldn't get anything out of it, not a win or podium, just a giant beating from Citroen and Ford.
With manufacture teams, costs rises through the roof if it isn't handled right, like F1 where only a two, three teams fighting for the glory.
VW Group have famously had a policy of not competing against each other - and having a discipline for each company. The was an interview with Jost Capito; the Group Heads of Motorsport meet throughout the year, were programmes/ budgets are discussed.
This policy can be changed when it suits them; next year Porsche will return to the top level of Sportscars, and take on Audi; however they will use different engine types: a petrol hybrid v a diesel hybrid.
So, unless the WRC regs change, there is no point in allowing Skoda into the WRC to take on VW with virtually the same car. Maybe Skoda needs to go the ERC/ WRC2 route and build a R5 Fabia??
That's the plan for some months now..Quote:
Originally Posted by AndyRAC
Yes, Fabia R5 is under development. It is intended to win ERC and as many regional/national titles as possible ;)
15 years ago F2 had very good promotion. Seat/renault/skoda/hyundai/citroen works teams were involved in lower categories.
Autonews Magazine » WRC » Hyundai recrute en France pour la i20 WRC
Rumors that Michel Nandan and Bertrand Vallet would work on the Hyundai project...
Indeed, before the days when the FIA decided it was a good idea to do separate TV deals for different categories on WRC events. The cars were exciting to watch, too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Barreis
Yes, Seat sold their cars with a sticker on, "F2 World Rally Champions"....Quote:
Originally Posted by Barreis
Manufacturers are in it to sell more cars. I've always thought there needs to be a Championship for one of the most important car sectors, the Hot Hatch market; FWD, 1.6L/ 2.0L.......
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Originally Posted by tommeke_B
Well, first example to come in mind was 1986 when Eriksson drove group-A VW Golf in the era of group-B cars. He got a decent amount of media coverage. Also, F2 cars later on, especially when they drove into WRC points but even without them, they got their own coverage.
Now, I've wrote my posts at night due to my work and I notice my fails :p
I want to point out that NOW, FIA with Red Bull-promotions, has an excellent chance to build a proper lower class to WRC-world. Done right, it would attract new manufacturers and drivers to rallying and at best, we would have TWO exciting classes in every rallies. What would be better. IMO the steps to WRC should be from ERC to WRC2 and then to WRC. But that's just my opinion.
This got to be the first post I 100% agree with Barreis :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Barreis
Btw... does anyone know how Peugeot vs Citroen was possible to PSA? And Seat vs Skoda before them with VAG? Especially when Citroen and Peugeot fought, they spend a lot of money and not only on drivers ...
That time the car market was rapidly growing. Something which is over now. Since that time also the number of independent manufacturers decreased a lot. Also the general public isn't that much interested in cars. Young people do care much more about smart phones and other electronic stuff and cars are often just a necessary mean of transport, not like 20 years a go. In my opinion very small percentage of car buyers have any clue about technical stuff or actual competition in some championships, in my opinion the only thing which now can work in marketing point of view is overall victory in well known events and championships.
I'm afraid you're 100% right Mirek.
When you like my post I know there's something terminally wrong. :D Shall we spectate MC last day (Croats and Finns) together?Quote:
Originally Posted by A.F.F.
But everything is about how you market your messages to the buyers. And how you market the WRC2 or WRC-x classes. It´s up to the sports management to market the sport. In olympics you have several sports and everyone is exciting for the public. So why not WRC, WRC2 and on...?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
Don't get too excited, this wasn't an invitation to the shower together. I still haven't forgot your broken record of Latvala ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Barreis
Don't want anymore about Latvala 'cos of numerous bans here in last months. Don't want to be next. :D
Good for you :up: While taking a vacation out of bashing Latvala, you might end up with good posts, like your previous one :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Barreis
It's the exception that proves the rule...Quote:
Originally Posted by A.F.F.
any news or rumors about the driver line up for hyundai ?
I don't think they even have a real test car just yet, so driver line up is going to be a long while.
new office ;)
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