2012 Presidential Race

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Originally Posted by anthonyvop

We are all hanging back and alternating between laughing at the shear ignorance and stupidity of the left and being scared that there are people who actually believe their crap.

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The left are stupid?
Rick Santorum Doesn't Have 'Smart People' on his Side - National - The Atlantic Wire

You simply don't see the irony in what you have written do you?

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Originally Posted by Robinho

You simply don't see the irony in what you have written do you?

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That addressed to me?

Romney's banking on a bunch of dumbass social conservatives voting against their own economic interests. Like these:
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And for the record I also love Sarah Palin and Ann Coulter.

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Originally Posted by DanicaFan

And for the record I also love Sarah Palin and Ann Coulter.

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Good for you - to each his own.

I like Rachel Maddow.

No, sorry, it was supposed to quote Tony's post about being scared by liberals

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Originally Posted by anthonyvop

shear ignorance

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If you are to accuse others of 'sheer ignorance', at least make sure you spell 'sheer' accurately. Otherwise you might be considered ignorant.

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Originally Posted by Don Capps

Allen West is, to be blunt, an idiot. The only valid point about Allen West is the point on top of the tin hat he wears when he makes up lies such as the one in the clip.

West was very lucky to be allowed to retire after the boneheaded stunt he pulled in Iraq. He was very fortunate that he only got an Article 15, which are not handed out lightly to field grade officers.

As far as weak presidents go, it will be a challenge to beat George W. Bush, who certainly is in a hard competition with Buchanan for the worst president. Gawd, even Nixon and Reagan -- the paranoid maniac and the delusional airhead -- were better than G.W. Bush, which is a difficult sentence to write given how corrupt and inept their administrations were.

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It is worth stating to those who will inevitably dismiss the above that Don Capps has forgotten more history than certain individuals here will ever know.

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Originally Posted by Jag_Warrior

This fellow (Allen West), and many others like him, is someone who I not only disagree with (which is no crime), but he is the sort of wingnut type person who I just wouldn't care to associate with. Now, there are hateful people on the left who I wouldn't associate with either. But the right certainly seems to be so much prouder of showing off their rogues' gallery these days.

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And the skewed political compasses of many, coupled with their educational failings, now see to it that a significant section of public opinion considers his ilk to be in the mainstream, rather than, as is more accurate, representing a lunatic, extremist fringe.

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Originally Posted by race aficionado

Good for you - to each his own.

I like Rachel Maddow.

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Rachel Maddow...That is hilarious. This liberal woman spews out a bunch of junk. I cant stand to listen to her for more than 1 minute....lol

Dems hate this fact....Read the article...

Romney's taxes can't calm the Democrats | New York Daily News

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Originally Posted by DanicaFan

Rachel Maddow...That is hilarious. This liberal woman spews out a bunch of junk. I cant stand to listen to her for more than 1 minute....lol

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Again, I say, these are not the comments of someone who deserves to have their political views taken seriously. Do you consider yourself an intelligent person?

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

Again, I say, these are not the comments of someone who deserves to have their political views taken seriously. Do you consider yourself an intelligent person?

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Why ? Because I differ than you ? That is crazy. When I point out facts and give my opinions, you think they are all wrong or bias. That is typical liberal views, if we dont agree, then a conservative is either wrong, racist, or uninformed. They will never admit we speak the truth. The reason for this is because they have nothing else. They know what thier track record is and its pathetic.

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Originally Posted by DanicaFan

Why ? Because I differ than you ? That is crazy. When I point out facts and give my opinions, you think they are all wrong or bias. That is typical liberal views, if we dont agree, then a conservative is either wrong, racist, or uninformed. They will never admit we speak the truth. The reason for this is because they have nothing else. They know what thier track record is and its pathetic.

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But you are uninformed, because you believe socialism to be the same as Communism, for a start. There is no other way to describe you, yet this seems not to trouble you. I'd say this of you whether your views were of the left or the right.

As for communism and socialism being the same... I was referring to the fact that both of these systems have everything distributed equally among the public. Socialism is a jumpstart to communism. You can try and deny it but they both are bad. These systems will fail....

Although not perfect, Capitalism is still the best system.

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Originally Posted by DanicaFan

Socialism is a jumpstart to communism.

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Do you have the faintest idea what your words mean? I've seldom seen such nonsense.

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Originally Posted by DanicaFan

Socialism is a jumpstart to communism. [/B]

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Er, pardon?

Again, I ask you — do you consider yourself an intelligent person?

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

If you are to accuse others of 'sheer ignorance', at least make sure you spell 'sheer' accurately. Otherwise you might be considered ignorant.

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might? :uhoh:

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Originally Posted by DanicaFan

Although not perfect, Capitalism is still the best system.

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Clearly you have never given more than maximum 10 seconds thought to Socialism, Communism---probably anything else juding from your shocking comments, but if you are not a troll---or a deep cover satirist---please explain to me --us---what if capitalism is the "best system' does it constantly fail..
STICK TO THAT, not comparative things, which you obviously know less than nothing about,

Why does capitalism fail every few years and every so often have giant "panics" , and get all depressed?


Should Capitalists get a prescription for Halcyon?

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

Do you extend the same 'respect' to, say, the views of al Qaida? Where does this 'respect' for views with which you disagree end? I have no respect at all for homophobes, anti-abortionists, or so forth. Why should I, when I consider their views not only to be wrong but also damaging?

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Sorry to be so tardy in my reply. Just returned from vacation.

I respect their right to have their opinions. It's when they take actions to harm others or restrict other people's rights that my tolerance ends.

Steady on folks!

Some posters are stepping very close to the line.

For example, it is OK to say "That statement you have just made is crazy", but it is not acceptable to say: "You are crazy to make that statement." The latter is considered 'personal abuse' and is not acceptable..

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Originally Posted by Rollo

It's neither a conservative position or a radical position, it's a matter of legal fact. Some corporations are people.

Companies in particular have legal personhood which means that they have the legal right to hold property, to sue and be sued, they may conduct business and appoint agents; in fact every single legal power that a natural person has except to be able to get married, a company also has. In some cases such as setting up a pension fund or a trust where property is to be held in the hands of a separate person, the veil of personhood is prudent legal planning because it means that a natural person may be sued but the assets of the pension fund or trust remain intact.

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Um, no. Companies don't have a right to vote.

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Originally Posted by Starter

Um, no. Companies don't have a right to vote.

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No, companies can't vote, but thanks to the Supreme Court a company is now able to raise funds without any oversight in order to sway votes. Think about it for 1 minute. A foreign company can give money to a Super PAC without any dollar limit! That's bad.

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Originally Posted by gloomyDAY

No, companies can't vote, but thanks to the Supreme Court a company is now able to raise funds without any oversight in order to sway votes. Think about it for 1 minute. A foreign company can give money to a Super PAC without any dollar limit! That's bad.

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That is true. I think the Court made a serious mistake on that one.

Some great quotes on how capitalism is the best economic system.....

America's abundance was created not by public sacrifices to the common good, but by the productive genius of free men who pursued their own personal interests and the making of their own private fortunes. They did not starve the people to pay for America's industrialization. They gave the people better jobs, higher wages, and cheaper goods with every new machine they invented, with every scientific discovery or technological advance -- and thus the whole country was moving forward and profiting, not suffering, every step of the way.



The core dynamic of the capitalist system is the accumulation process, a process in which a portion of the profits reaped through the sale of goods and services is reinvested, swelling the capital stock, incorporating new technologies in the process, and permitting larger sales and profits in the future.

And by Winston Churchill..

Socialism is the philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy.


The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings; the inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of miseries.

Ronald Reagan..
It is old-fashioned, even reactionary to remind people that free enterprise has done more to reduce poverty than all the government programs dreamed up by Democrats.

In this era of big government, we sometimes forget that many of our proudest achievements as a nation came not through government, but through private citizens, individuals whose genius and generosity flourished in this climate of freedom.

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Originally Posted by Mark

It's a very important point. As I understanding with my limited knowledge of American politics is that if the situation were the same in the UK, we'd have a Labour Prime Minister, yet a Tory majority in the Commons?

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With my limited understanding of British politics, I believe you are correct.

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Originally Posted by D-Type

Steady on folks!

Some posters are stepping very close to the line.

For example, it is OK to say "That statement you have just made is crazy", but it is not acceptable to say: "You are crazy to make that statement." The latter is considered 'personal abuse' and is not acceptable..

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That statement you have just made is crazy. :crazy:

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Originally Posted by DanicaFan

Some great quotes on how capitalism is the best economic system.....

America's abundance was created not by public sacrifices to the common good, but by the productive genius of free men who pursued their own personal interests and the making of their own private fortunes. They did not starve the people to pay for America's industrialization. They gave the people better jobs, higher wages, and cheaper goods with every new machine they invented, with every scientific discovery or technological advance -- and thus the whole country was moving forward and profiting, not suffering, every step of the way.



The core dynamic of the capitalist system is the accumulation process, a process in which a portion of the profits reaped through the sale of goods and services is reinvested, swelling the capital stock, incorporating new technologies in the process, and permitting larger sales and profits in the future.

And by Winston Churchill..

Socialism is the philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy.


The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings; the inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of miseries.

Ronald Reagan..
It is old-fashioned, even reactionary to remind people that free enterprise has done more to reduce poverty than all the government programs dreamed up by Democrats.

In this era of big government, we sometimes forget that many of our proudest achievements as a nation came not through government, but through private citizens, individuals whose genius and generosity flourished in this climate of freedom.

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Nobody asked you for great quotes about why somebody else thinks capitalism is so peachy.

In light of the direct clear question asking YOU why if it is so "great" does capitalism constantly, every few years FAIL and get depressed and have "Panics" then "That statement you have just made is crazy",

In addition it is flat demonstrably FALSE.

The only was broader prosperity was gained was by forcing via LAW or direct action, for better wages, better conditions, better education....


Now, this is a presidential election thread, all this re-hashing the crazy statements somebody made are distractions---which is more evidence that somebody is a troll--or a deep cover satirist....

The only possible connection is how accumulated capital passed down generation to generation, from a generation that actually made things-- cars, parts, steel, to a generation that makes their millions making deals, can distort the political process.

If people like socialism so much, move to Europe....lol

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Originally Posted by Starter

With my limited understanding of British politics, I believe you are correct.

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Mark may find it it odd that the president can---and often has been--- from "the other party" that either or both the House and Senate, but even odder is ---particularly in light of how the statements by madmen who keep yelling "we need to stick to the Constitution the way the Founding Farthers done did it!!!" that originally, as instituted, in US Presidential Elections he with the most votes was Pres, he with second most was Vice-Pres...

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Originally Posted by DanicaFan

If people like socialism so much, move to Europe....lol

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Is this the conclusion to your PhD thesis?

Janvan,
What you refuse to admit is that capitalism is the only economic system to ever show consistent and an increasing of better standings of living. As tough as the economy gets, capitalism still shows hope and growth. Why ? Because it works !
No other system has shown such great progress and improvements in production, technology, growth, etc.

It focuses on free enterprise and individual rights. It has worked better than government "socialized" programs. The less government is involved in our lives, the better off we are. The Constitution was written to protect man from the government and the Bill of Rights was actually written as an anti-government document to give individuals rights superiority. The government's first job is to protect our lives, not run them. I dont know how you cant see that...

Thomas Jefferson said it good... "Government that governs least, governs best.

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Originally Posted by DanicaFan

If people like socialism so much, move to Europe....lol

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No, you still need to answer why Capitalism fails every few years, maybe from where ever you move to.
I believe somebody has already in this thread suggested Mogadishu, I second the suggestion.

MODERATORS---who really aren't. In US Political threads what this guy just did IS HIGHLY OFFENSIVE.

FEW things are more offensive, particularly when a persons whose every post, virtulaly every word seems so ill informed that it seems like (seems---qualifier, like---'as if" those are mitigating words) its a crazy person writing.

Moderators, you people sling around "denmerits" will-nilly---do you job.

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Originally Posted by DanicaFan

Thomas Jefferson said it good... "Government that governs least, governs best.

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Why then does it fail---you forgot 2008?

And Jefferson was a rich man, he did not see the busrting forth onto the world of a middle class of hundreds of millions--which was created by limiting the excesses of naked Capitalism here as well as everywhere civilised.
It was limiting done by the representatives of the People-for the people .

It's why you can read, even if it is at an appalling poor level..

Stop with the quotes, you whatever you name is tell us why Capitalism FAILS every few years.

What some of you guys, including Janvan, said to me is HIGHLY OFFENSIVE. Attacking me personally, calling me and idiot, moron, troll, etc. That is clearly a violation of TOS.

But I am done arguing in here. It's clearly going nowhere. I never could reason with a liberal...lol Oh well, just wait until November gets here and this will be settled once and for all. I just hope you all can seriously look at how bad this country has become and will even get worse if we re-elect this President. There is no hope with him.

Obama himself said that if he cant turn this economy around in 1 term than he is done. Well, the economy didnt turn around, it got worse and he is running again so this again shows he cant keep any of his promises.

So take care everyone, Im out of this topic.

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Originally Posted by DanicaFan

What some of you guys, including Janvan, said to me is HIGHLY OFFENSIVE. Attacking me personally, calling me and idiot, moron, troll, etc. That is clearly a violation of TOS.

But I am done arguing in here. It's clearly going nowhere. I never could reason with a liberal...lol Oh well, just wait until November gets here and this will be settled once and for all. I just hope you all can seriously look at how bad this country has become and will even get worse if we re-elect this President. There is no hope with him.

Obama himself said that if he cant turn this economy around in 1 term than he is done. Well, the economy didnt turn around, it got worse and he is running again so this again shows he cant keep any of his promises.

So take care everyone, Im out of this topic.

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To be fair to you, you haven't ever really been in the topic. All you've done is start it, post a few pictures you've taken off the internet to illustrate what you think, not answered most of the questions put to you and come across as someone with little to offer in the way of political opinion.

Quick tip — if you want people to take your views a bit more seriously, writing sentences like 'I never could reason with a liberal...lol' doesn't help.

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Originally Posted by janvanvurpa

FEW things are more offensive, particularly when a persons whose every post, virtulaly every word seems so ill informed that it seems like (seems---qualifier, like---'as if" those are mitigating words) its a crazy person writing.

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I think that's rather harsh. Ill-informed, certainly, and not especially well-educated, probably — but not 'crazy' in this instance.

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Originally Posted by DanicaFan

Rachel Maddow...That is hilarious. This liberal woman spews out a bunch of junk. I cant stand to listen to her for more than 1 minute....lol

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I wonder how long she could stand listening to you?!

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Originally Posted by DanicaFan

Some great quotes on how capitalism is the best economic system.....

America's abundance was created not by public sacrifices to the common good, but by the productive genius of free men who pursued their own personal interests and the making of their own private fortunes. They did not starve the people to pay for America's industrialization. They gave the people better jobs, higher wages, and cheaper goods with every new machine they invented, with every scientific discovery or technological advance -- and thus the whole country was moving forward and profiting, not suffering, every step of the way.



The core dynamic of the capitalist system is the accumulation process, a process in which a portion of the profits reaped through the sale of goods and services is reinvested, swelling the capital stock, incorporating new technologies in the process, and permitting larger sales and profits in the future.

And by Winston Churchill..

Socialism is the philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy.


The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings; the inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of miseries.

Ronald Reagan..
It is old-fashioned, even reactionary to remind people that free enterprise has done more to reduce poverty than all the government programs dreamed up by Democrats.

In this era of big government, we sometimes forget that many of our proudest achievements as a nation came not through government, but through private citizens, individuals whose genius and generosity flourished in this climate of freedom.

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OK let's play the game. The above definitions were all right, back in the day, FFW to today and I ask you: are those bolded parts in those definitions still true?!