Your opinion on 'Drag Reduction System'

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Originally Posted by Daniel

Not apply that logic to Monaco with DRS in mind.....

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But the standard steering rack is not dangerous, it is only changed so that 24 cars don't get stuck in a traffic jam at the hairpin.

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Originally Posted by Bagwan

You are preaching to the choir , sir .
“The overtaking we saw was more from tyre-performance difference than DRS." -Alonso .

By the way , it's "Dopey Racing System" , not "Dumb" .

Dump this Ridiculous System .
Doesn't Really make Sense .


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I prefer the word Dumb :)

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Originally Posted by 555-04Q2

But the standard steering rack is not dangerous, it is only changed so that 24 cars don't get stuck in a traffic jam at the hairpin.

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But DRS is not dangerous, it's only not allowed so...... (I'm trying to help you here)

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Originally Posted by Daniel

But DRS is not dangerous, it's only not allowed so...... (I'm trying to help you here)

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.....it's still a stupid system? :p : ;)

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Originally Posted by Daniel

But DRS is not dangerous, it's only not allowed so...... (I'm trying to help you here)

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Remember Sutil deploying DRS just a tad too early in Melbourne. Now imagine Yuji Ide doing the same thing...

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Originally Posted by Mark

But was it? Did DRS allow the driver to close on the straight (but not pass) and then be close enough to challenge around the rest of the lap. Or did it allow that driver to overtake the slower car thus he was in a position to fight with the opposition ahead. i.e. DRS brings more into play than just passing your opposition.

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Hamilton passed Button on pit straight because he KERS in his pocket; and Rosberg at a different section of track because Hamilton had better grip.

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Originally Posted by wedge

Remember Sutil deploying DRS just a tad too early in Melbourne. Now imagine Yuji Ide doing the same thing...

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Yeah but if you put your right foot down too quick you can spin ;) Driver skill eh wot wot?

Here's what Rubens , chairman of the GPDA has to say about DRS at Monaco :


"I can see a race [filled] with safety cars. If they could listen still: I think Monaco is what it is. It is not overtaking territory," he said.

"Do they think they can introduce overtaking through the DRS? They possibly can, but they might hurt someone. That is a voice from experience."


It's not safe at Monaco .

That is , apparently , because the track is too tight .
Have they no driver skill eh wot wot ?

They must be worried about something .
Could it be those possible spins ?

Why would he think there would be lots of safety cars ?

Why is it that a mechanical passing aid isn't safe at all the tracks , and "may hurt someone" ?

Why is it needed at all when Alonso said that most of the passing was down to the differences in tires anyway ?

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Originally Posted by 555-04Q2

I prefer the word Dumb :)

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I'm kinda liking "Dismal" , too .
And , "Doofus" isn't bad , either .
"Discombombulated" or "Discombooberated" also work well .

Damn Ridiculous System , if you ask me .

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Originally Posted by Daniel

Of course and DRS isn't always needed to make action happen, doesn't mean it's not needed some other times.

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It is just not needed, it's as simple as that.

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Originally Posted by Bagwan

They are talking about using it in the tunnel .

Why wouldn't that be a good idea ?

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.....because off-line in the tunnel at Monaco is gonna see marbles galore, and is the only way to pass. Alonso, Hulkenberg and others have come a cropper in the tunnel, and that was without the Pirelli licorice twists. How's it gonna be with low downforce coupled with levels of grip akin to driving on ice?

It's gonna have to be on the start finish straight/kink.

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

.....because off-line in the tunnel at Monaco is gonna see marbles galore, and is the only way to pass. Alonso, Hulkenberg and others have come a cropper in the tunnel, and that was without the Pirelli licorice twists. How's it gonna be with low downforce coupled with levels of grip akin to driving on ice?

It's gonna have to be on the start finish straight/kink.

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^ This. Or maybe up the hill after turn one.

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

.....because off-line in the tunnel at Monaco is gonna see marbles galore, and is the only way to pass. Alonso, Hulkenberg and others have come a cropper in the tunnel, and that was without the Pirelli licorice twists. How's it gonna be with low downforce coupled with levels of grip akin to driving on ice?

It's gonna have to be on the start finish straight/kink.

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I hope you know that I knew this .
The bend , two thirds of the way through would be scary with the open wing . That's with one car .

Start finish straight deployment will send them into the squeeze of St. Devote even faster .
The run-off there will be busy .

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Originally Posted by Bagwan

Start finish straight deployment will send them into the squeeze of St. Devote even faster .
The run-off there will be busy .

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Can we please not mention St Devote? Can we make up another name for that part of the track? :-P

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Originally Posted by ioan

^ This. Or maybe up the hill after turn one.

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I'm not sure it would have enough effect to be useful before you got to the bends near the top , as you start out at the bottom at pretty low speed .

Just ban the damn thing altogether at all the tracks .

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Originally Posted by Bagwan

I hope you know that I knew this .
The bend , two thirds of the way through would be scary with the open wing . That's with one car .

Start finish straight deployment will send them into the squeeze of St. Devote even faster .
The run-off there will be busy .

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The important point though, lest we forget, is at least there is run off there.

I certainly don't feel that Monaco would be a safe place for DRS, but purely because it's a circuit where passing is difficult at the best of times.

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Originally Posted by Daniel

Can we please not mention St Devote? Can we make up another name for that part of the track? :-P

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I miss that guy .
He was always good for a giggle .

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Originally Posted by Daniel

I certainly don't feel that Monaco would be a safe place for DRS, but purely because it's a circuit where passing is difficult at the best of times.

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Isn't it a system that is supposed to help with that ?

So , you don't think it's safe ?
Why's that . Is it too hard to control ?

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Originally Posted by Bagwan

Isn't it a system that is supposed to help with that ?

So , you don't think it's safe ?
Why's that . Is it too hard to control ?

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I think overtaking in Monaco on the high speed bits (where DRS would be useful) is dangerous enough as it is. If it were my choice there wouldn't be a race there at all because the layout isn't condusive to racing with modern cars.

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Originally Posted by Bagwan

Just ban the damn thing altogether at all the tracks .

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I wish we could do that.

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Originally Posted by Daniel

I think overtaking in Monaco on the high speed bits (where DRS would be useful) is dangerous enough as it is. If it were my choice there wouldn't be a race there at all because the layout isn't condusive to racing with modern cars.

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So you do think it's dangerous , then ?

It's "useful" , but would make it more dangerous ?

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Originally Posted by ioan

I wish we could do that.

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Sadly , I think it may take what Rubens suggested might happen , to ban the damned thing .

I will try to find the quote where Rubens suggests that the guys making the DRS decisions should try running the tunnel using it , themselves , to see just how scary that will be .

And , remember , they'll have the chance to do so during quals , when it's not restricted to what they see as the safest zone to use it .

I found it :
"I just think it is wrong. I would love the people at the top to sit in the car and try to do the tunnel with the DRS open . In my opinion, they are waiting for something bad to happen. And when it happens, they will just say, 'oh, next year we will not have it for Monaco'. The drivers have not been listened to right now, and I think it is the wrong decision." - Rubens

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Originally Posted by Bagwan

So you do think it's dangerous , then ?

It's "useful" , but would make it more dangerous ?

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LOL you're funny. People agree that it's too dangerous for a particular track and it's not enough for you.

There's no such thing as 'dangerous' or 'safe' unless you're a Daily Mail reader.

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Originally Posted by Daniel

LOL you're funny. People agree that it's too dangerous for a particular track and it's not enough for you.

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You're funny too... like all wrestling fans. all funny people.

well i thought it was too dangerous for monaco and then i thought how boring the race is and decided that it is not dangerous at all. Maybe Rubens should let hulkenburg drive this race!!

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Originally Posted by Mark

There's no such thing as 'dangerous' or 'safe' unless you're a Daily Mail reader.

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and then there's nothing that's safe if you're a daily mail reader :D

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Originally Posted by eu

You're funny too... like all wrestling fans. all funny people.

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Dog, chair leg, fart, unfair mortgage rate rises.

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Originally Posted by Daniel

Dog, chair leg, fart, unfair mortgage rate rises.

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....stagflation, credit crunch, (hold sides of mouth apart with fingers) bankers - collective noun; wunch.

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

....stagflation, credit crunch, (hold sides of mouth apart with fingers) bankers - collective noun; wunch.

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:up:

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Originally Posted by Daniel

LOL you're funny. People agree that it's too dangerous for a particular track and it's not enough for you.

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I am just asking a simple question , Daniel .
Why is it too dangerous to use at Monaco ?

Tell me what could happen .

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Originally Posted by Bagwan

I am just asking a simple question , Daniel .
Why is it too dangerous to use at Monaco ?

Tell me what could happen .

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Dog, yellow, airplane, cable reel and conduit.

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Originally Posted by Daniel

Dog, yellow, airplane, cable reel and conduit.

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Don't forget Mrs Peacock and the Study......

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

Don't forget Mrs Peacock and the Study......

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Those aren't things I can see out the window here at work though.

Seriously, I've no idea what Bagwan is jibber jabbering on about. I agree that DRS shouldn't be used in Monaco, because it shouldn't be used in Monaco I'm supposed to just agree that it's dangerous everywhere? :rolleyes:

My personal perspective is this;

As I've already mentioned I personally can't see the benefit of the system in Monaco, but as that is not the position of the FIA the drivers will a) either have to informally agree within the GPDA not to use it, or b) bravest driver gains an advantage .

In many ways B is the way things should be in competition, it's just not what I would want in Monaco - the place deserves a touch more respect that other circuits.

Too simple to answer ?

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Originally Posted by Bagwan

Too simple to answer ?

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Missan Micra, overhead powerline, folly and 5mph sign.

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Originally Posted by Bagwan

I am just asking a simple question , Daniel .
Why is it too dangerous to use at Monaco ?

Tell me what could happen .

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*raises hand* Ooooo, Oooo, me, me! I know the answer ;)

Just my personal view Bagwan, but what I like about DRS is it recreates those pre '70's slipstream boosts. Watching turkey last week was like watching Monza circa 1968.

However, big tows have never (to my knowledge) featured at Monaco. The huge speed difference, coupled with the narrowness of the Tarmac would leave me feeling a little uneasy about the use of the system (if I were lucky enough to be a GP driver - which is probably why I didn't make it ;) ) I actually don't have an issue with it in clear air.

Overtaking at Monaco is just unacceptable in the first place :p