I think this extended video was not posted before. Sound really nice!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2CxfhWsrOs
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I think this extended video was not posted before. Sound really nice!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2CxfhWsrOs
Icredible sound. More like the Polos´ and a good reminder of what´s coming from Toyota...Quote:
Originally Posted by makinen_fan
FIA will keep Toyota in the loop on Car regulations, so they can build the right car;
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/113089
They launched the new TS040 this morning; with nearly 1000BHP of combined hybrid/ petrol engine power.
And the 'hybrid' part is the important bit - I personally think, if the 2017 regs allow hybrids, they'll join. If not, they won't. By 2017, a 1.6T/ 1.4T petrol engine is hardly cutting edge.
Why leave a series which encourages hybrids and new technology to join the WRC?
If the FIA introduce rules for hybrid cars in 2017 cost will esculate and not be reduced.
R5 is the way forward. By 2017 4 or 5 manufacturers will have built cars, and we'd have entry lists full of top flight cars.
They just need to 'beef' up the sound, bit more power, bit more sideways for the fans and it's a winning formula.
I'm not convinced about that. So far the cars showed quite bad reliability even in much shorter events than WRC ones. The cars and parts are relatively cheap but the durability of parts is much worse than with S2000.Quote:
Originally Posted by Doon
That don't come without further rise of cost.Quote:
Originally Posted by Doon
I agree with that... complication and cost is not what rally cars need right now. The only reason F1 can pull it off is because it is a much more popular sport :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Doon
Maybe if Citroën stays, msport, toyota, hyudai and hitlerwagen get a good mix of drivers and liven up the championship battle with lots of close fights, the sport will grow in popularity, costs can be justified and ~2025 rules will include hybrids, who knows?
Welcome aboard.Quote:
Originally Posted by itix
You will be flamed for a part of that post although true during a certain period of time.
Like Doon suggests, R5 could be one of the ways forward if FIA decides so. Reliability issues will be seriously addressed with commitment.
First that would definitely rise cost. Second point is that it's questionable if that can be successful. R5 rules are based on using plenty of stock parts which won't be developed along with the tailor-made ones.Quote:
Originally Posted by Karukera
We should be discussing this in the 'WRC Foresight' thread.
Costs would inevitably grow with any non existing or sub category becoming a big FIA series.
The actual question is what do they want to do with the sport ? how far in the cost vs performance vs go Green compromise ?
I reckon times will change quickly and radically.
In my opinion speaking about cutting cost by technical rules for manufacturer teams has no sense. They will always spend all the money they are given by the management. When VW or Hyundai are given 100 million Euro they will spend it no matter what the rules are. If they would like to keep cost down they can start with not bringing a whole factory together with them to every event...Quote:
Originally Posted by Karukera
I guess MIrek has a good point. Nothing is automatic. And rules built on merchandises might not be the right way... But todays WRC in some way revised would be best. In which way I´m not the man to say.
It makes sense if you remember that for a manufacturer, the reason to participate is to advertise and market their products, not to develop cars or technology. If WRC would be competed in horse drawn wagons, they would still spend their whole budget. So, when manufacturer says "lower the costs", he means "I want to spend bigger portion of my budget on VIP catering and T-shirts with our company slogan".Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
Hi there, has anyone actualy read the news story who is mentioned in the first post yet?
You would have to wonder when it is time to consider a spaceframe WRC vehicle specification (silhouette/skin) like the group s that was planned.
Nascar, V8 Supercars and a few other classes are spaceframe vehicles. The theory is it is less expensive to repair a spaceframe vehicle than a pressed monocoque steel shell.
i.e The skin/ silhouette and parts are removed and the steel tubing is cut out and repaired or replaced.
If the spaceframe is built to a similar dimension - the same suspension, brakes steering parts etc can be used across brands. Each manufacturer has their own engine so the competition is still about engine build, crew -drivers/ mechanics and setup for performance and reliability.etc
Cool of Makinen to make a GT-86 WRC concept car, so: pls Toyota use that instead of the tiny Yaris. Looks so much like ra racecar!!
would be interessting to hear from a drivers perspective on the two cars!
I find the Toyota situation weird, they don't want to work with their own TTE so instead they team up with Makinen who has no real experience in this field?
What is really going on? Is either project "official" or neither?
Toyora testing in Italy this week
TMG test a lot in Italy. Do they have a local team support (Procar, Italia Motorsport, etc) like it was rumored at the beginning of the year?
Is the GT-86 a 4WD?
no
TMG (Toyota Motorsport Group (exTTE)) GT86 is rwd, due to get FIA R3 homologation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rallyper
TMR (Tommi Makinen Racing) GT86 is a 4wd prototype ordered by Gazoo Racing (one of the Toyota's motorsport divisons) for exhibition purposes.
Tommi´s car has Subaru R4 technic and original base car was Subaru BRZ. (same car as GT86)Quote:
Originally Posted by Rally Power
who where in the test-areas could help us... anyone noted also trucks not TMG marked?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rally Power
Motorsport Italia is their service provider for running the cars and the testing.Quote:
Originally Posted by manthey
Confirmed my suspicion. Looked like it ran away too fast for an RWD-car on Tommies test run in Japan.Quote:
Originally Posted by pantealex
thanksQuote:
Originally Posted by rallyfiend
was this here yet:
https://translate.google.fi/translat...856&edit-text=
Can anyone tell why Toyota plans to return at first in 2017? Having more ambitious plans than even VW had? Or what?
I have no idea why but year 2017 has been communicated already more than a year a go but somehow nobody wanted to believe.
Will be a real pity if the Yaris never gets driven competitively; looks really good in my opinion and would be great to see more of it.
Probably Toyota Japan was not sure they want to be involved on the highest level again. May be not with current WRC car specs anyway.
According to autosport.com there is a big possibility they will announce their entry in WRC in the first 3 months of 2015.
The car could easily be ready in 2016 one could think. One year to test and get car ready should be enough.
It is no surprise as japanese "working year" is quite different. Also Subaru was confirming their projects during last year around March, if I am correct.Quote:
Originally Posted by EightGear
Thread started:
8th August 2010, 15:45
End of 2014 and we're still holding our breath that the announcement might occur in 2015...
Got to get all the details right..
I guess.
Is this the longest running thread in history?
WAIT we have one going on even longer--and much better:
http://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?4,24930
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Guess what it is? http://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/m...es/smilie5.gif
Anders Green [ PM ]
Oooo! The next "this will save rally" is almost here!
March 25, 2009 02:55PM
Some Twitter says that toyota can do wrc2 with the yaris?
Is "rrc" still possible?
Yes
Toyota will not do WRC2 this year. They will also not start with WRC this year. Their project in WRC is still very uncertain and car is still far from being competitive...
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Originally Posted by skarderud
I'm not so sure about that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirek
Homologation for S2000 1.6 T was prohibited or stayed as an option, from January 2014?
The last to be approved was Polo S2000 1.6 T.