I dont think so. Problem for Fabia Kit Car was missing international homologation...
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I dont think so. Problem for Fabia Kit Car was missing international homologation...
Just watched the Monte Carlo Eurosport review again and at the end of it they have an interview with George Donaldson, who is talking about the R4 regulations and he mentions that later on in the year they plan on having a team out out there along with a partner and some top drivers, can anybody elaborate on this? Subaru planning to run a team with R4 cars?
Toshi Arai - Corse, Acores, Mecsek, Scotland, Cyprus
Fumio Nutahara - Acores, Scotland, Cyprus
Both in Yokohama colors with Impreza R4 so it's probably that team.
Photogallery from tests of Skoda Fabia R2 - http://www.autosport.cz/clanek.php?cl=11880
http://www.autosport.cz/img/clanky/4...7c74a1f08f.jpg
Flodin about sti r4 + video
http://www.rallybuzz.com/subaru-impreza-r4-irc-2011/
Thanks Dimviii,
It was nice to see (and of course to hear) the comments of the drivers who’s did the test. The test drivers’ comments about this R4 improvement are encouraging.
I don’t think this test was about speed, moreover about the handling of the car. Let’s see how the R4 will cope with the S2000?
Ralliart Italy just Finished another 2 days of testing in Italy with Michal Kosciuszko driving the Lancer R4 EVO IX and EVO X, the results are very Positive.!!
Is this the same kit: http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/90472 ?Quote:
Originally Posted by GTA
you can Read all about the R4 Kit and Development on this link:
http://www.ralliart.it/r4_uk.htm
Ketomaa has entered "BTA Rally Talsi 2011" (14.-15.05., 3rd round of Latvian Rally Championship) on Mitsubishi Evo 10 R4 prepared by MML-Sports.
http://autorally.lv/2011/?pid=3&lng=en&id=5
we have already read this article.Something more except prices?Have you measure difference between r4 and not r4 cars?Quote:
Originally Posted by GTA
Quote:
Originally Posted by dimviii
Like i write before: Ralliart Italy just Finished another 2 days of testing in Italy with Michal Kosciuszko driving the Lancer R4 EVO IX and EVO X, the results are very Positive.!!
Ralliart Italy is constantly testing in Italy with Gr N and R4 cars. Test results will be posted when available.
I understood that R4 regulations only applied to current model of each manufacturer, so has Ralliart Italy homologated a kit for Evo IX, as well?
Yes Ralliart Italy has exclusively Homologated the R4 EVO IX.
Thanks Jack!Quote:
Originally Posted by GTA
any photos of the uprated parts,specially the subframes,rods,trailing arms?
Thanks in advance.
This is the reason why Boon in Fabia R2 did not make it to the finish in Wallonie last weekend and also didn't take home R2 victory in front of C2 and Twingo (Princen!):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjEJF...layer_embedded
Impromat Motorsport started Fabia R2 website: http://www.fabiar2.com/ENG
Nice spare part list where the serial parts and the kit parts are clearly separated.
I got curious about the differences in the prices. The calculations took some time to make these calculations but here are my results.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sulland
A complete Fiesta R2 from M-Sport is 48.955 € (exchange rate 0,87) and a complete Citroen C2 R2 Max is 58.000 € and a Skoda R2 62.000 €. What should be considered is also what one gets for a certain price.
The contest of the different kits are quite different and it’s difficult to compare the kits, so I did a counting of items (rows) from spare parts lists with similar contests to compare “what do you get for the price”.
The only kit a know for sure is the Fiesta’s kit and it include about 340 items. The Renault Twingo R2 kit has about 310 items and the Skoda Fabia R2 kit has about 490 items.
Calculating the average price per item gives the following results:
Fiesta: 123 € / item
Twingo: 148 € / item
Fabia: 141 € / item
Pity that Citroen don’t have similar spare parts list as the others one, so I couldn’t do the calculations of the items for Citroen. But anyway looking at the average price per item, the Skoda is not so expensive despite of the high price for a complete car.
For a comparison the price per item for a Renault Clio R3 is 163 € / item and has 605 items in a similar kit.
That the Fabia and C2 cost more is without calculating average price per item is not even bad because they are the best R2's on the market now. Fiesta and Twingo having not power/speed of the Fabia and C2 in my oppinion.
That’s true. The most powerful R2 is the C2 Max with 190 bhp, the second one C2 Base with 185 bhp, third is Fiesta with 168 bhp (with 97 octane fuel) and finally the last one Twingo with 160 bhp.
Fabia can't be far away from that 190 of the Max..
I think we all need to give the Mitsubishi and Subaru R4 project's some time.
Its very easy to say that they do not perform close to the S2000... but time will tell and when the Complete R4's will be running in full spec it could be a different story after all.
A dyno of C2 Max which I saw was I think 185 Hp and 180 Nm. Fabia is 180 Hp and 194 Nm. Overall Fabia engine rews less than C2. Also there is shorter gearing available for Fabia. Shortest gearbox for C2 is 175 km/h, for Fabia 161 km/h.
For Fiesta I saw somewhere a dyno with 173 Hp.
Oh s**t, I forgot the Fabia. 180bph.Quote:
Originally Posted by mousti
I feel I have read somewhere that the max config of the c2 will be banned. Is that correct?
Was'nt the fabia 168 hp when it came ?
30 hp btw the two French C2's that must be quite a lot per km ss !
No, Fabia is 180 Hp since the start. Stronger engine is in development.
Why is the Renault so much less on power?
It's used as a cup car , so not meant to compete with the C2 Max . However it would be nice to see a Maxi version of the Twingo , just to show Citroen who is the king in small pocket rockets ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Gordini
Subaru R4 homologation forms.
http://www.sti.jp/e/competitor/r4_ho...2_0501_VR4.pdf
Looks like Subaru have the R4 suspension arms only for rear suspension.
In Ypres there's one Fabia starting with one big talented driver to kick al those C2 R2 Max's there ass!Quote:
Originally Posted by urabus-denoS2000
Updated homologation form for the Subaru R4 and also a spare parts catalogue.
With quite small changes there seems to be a way increase the suspension stroke in the front.
George Donaldson explains the Subaru R4 kit with Colin Clark.
30-40 oC cooler air under the bonnet mean cooler air to the intake and more power.
Also PG will drive TMR build R4 in Finland !!!
Did Subaru reduce the front suspension travel with the latest Impreza? I know the rear must have suffered with the switch to wishbones which required the drastic elongation pieces. The catalog didn't mention engine and transmission mounts though they are listed on the homologation form. I'd like to see how much they changed from the harder-than-stock rubber mounts that they used to use.
Are there any changes planned for any of the R Classes for 2012 ?
Now also the Twingo should be competitive with the other R2s.
190 bhp & 180 Nm
Renault Sport | Twingo R.S. R2 | News
Hope the Twingo R2 evo will beat Fabia and Reanult best in also R2
Don't worry, Fabia will never become something like C2R2. I don't think Impromat can make more than twenty Fabias per year. It's small company.
Interesting article:
Peugeot plant den nächsten Schritt*:: rallye-magazin.de
Peugeot made a commitment about future plans with the new 208-they will homologate (01.01.2013) the 208, which will meet the requirements for RT4 rules. They expect a bit powerful engines as today's S2000, but on the other hand lower costs for other parts of the car. The price should be between 150-180.000 Eur. The same technology would be also used in the sister-company Citroen for the car on the DS3 basis.
But let's wait for the final publication of RT4 class.
Interesting piece of information from Frederic Bertrand-until today Peugeot Sport sold 99 P207 S2000 cars. And still they have three orders on the table.