Renault get a 2 year suspended ban

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

Why's that, he more of a 'Chas 'n Dave' man is he....????

He won't get that, will he?

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I've been warned about posting irrelevant YouTube’s (however relevant I think they are) :uhoh: :s mokin:

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

Substantial damages eh? Sometimes an apology just isn't enough.....

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Apologies are the most hypocrite concept ever.
You inflict someone, sometimes irreparable, physical or moral damage and an apology should even out all the bad done?!
I do not agree with this view of yours.

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Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/88614

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Justice has been served.

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Originally Posted by ioan

Apologies are the most hypocrite concept ever.
You inflict someone, sometimes irreparable, physical or moral damage and an apology should even out all the bad done?!
I do not agree with this view of yours.

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Agreed. If the forum operated on this policy no infractions or bans would be dished out.

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Originally Posted by henners88

I'm abit torn over this as we've never really found out the true involvement of everyone involved. Piquet Jr went along with it whether he was threatened or not, but he lied in the process and for many months IMO. We are yet to see a public apology from Piquet Jr like the one Lewis was made to do after his lying backside tried to mislead the stewards and the Singapore crash was on a grander scale. Maybe the Piquet's should think about donating their winning's to a charity that deals with people who are going through rehabilitation from brain injuries sustained in crashes and so forth? My opinion would go up certainly as their were 3 significant liars in this scandal.

I know you were very vocal in your support of Piquet Jr at the time ioan, what are your opinions on this? :)

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Huh?

Piquet claimed that Flabio told him to crash, Renno + Flabio said he lied, he didn't and was awarded damages. Simple as that. No need to arrange a day where everyone changed their facebook picture to a photo of their favourite gerbil to increase awareness of something or other.

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Originally Posted by henners88

What are you talking about?
Flavio may have told him to crash thats fair enough but Nelson had options and he chose to crash his race car into a wall to fix a Grand Prix result. If someone tells me to murder someone and I do it, should I get off because I was told by my boss? I think not. All thats been settled here is the issue that Piquet was on the surface of it, right that he was ordered to do something.

All three men cheated, this is just tit for tat squabbling over who slandered who. It doesn't take any of the seriousness away from what was committed IMO.

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No. Flabio did tell him to crash and as Flabio had leverage over him Piquet did the wrong thing and didn't tell the truth initially. No one says he should get off but he came clean and Flabio didn't.

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Originally Posted by henners88

I agree with you on this point, but I can't help but think this is a complete waste of column space. Its effectively news that a team has paid a cheat damages for reporting incorrect information over who ordered him to cheat. Flavio isn't even involved in this little case, and this makes me wonder whether Piquet will now win damages off Flav. A cheat getting paid off by another cheat?? Perhaps we as fans are entitled to some of the action? I find it all abit strange if I'm honest. :)

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This particular case doesn't involve you or I but if you fancy a go, feel free to sue Renno or Flabbers.

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Originally Posted by Daniel

This particular case doesn't involve you or I but if you fancy a go, feel free to sue Renno or Flabbers.

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I'd sue pretty boy Piquet just for driving like my Grandma.......

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Originally Posted by henners88

I'm abit torn over this as we've never really found out the true involvement of everyone involved. Piquet Jr went along with it whether he was threatened or not, but he lied in the process and for many months IMO. We are yet to see a public apology from Piquet Jr like the one Lewis was made to do after his lying backside tried to mislead the stewards and the Singapore crash was on a grander scale. Maybe the Piquet's should think about donating their winning's to a charity that deals with people who are going through rehabilitation from brain injuries sustained in crashes and so forth? My opinion would go up certainly as their were 3 significant liars in this scandal.

I know you were very vocal in your support of Piquet Jr at the time ioan, what are your opinions on this? :)

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Originally Posted by henners88

What are you talking about?
Flavio may have told him to crash thats fair enough but Nelson had options and he chose to crash his race car into a wall to fix a Grand Prix result. If someone tells me to murder someone and I do it, should I get off because I was told by my boss? I think not. All thats been settled here is the issue that Piquet was on the surface of it, right that he was ordered to do something.

All three men cheated, this is just tit for tat squabbling over who slandered who. It doesn't take any of the seriousness away from what was committed IMO.

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Looks to me that you should be one of those taking profit of Piquets money through one of the charities you are campaigning for.
Piquet's court case against Renault was about libel and Flab is next on the list.

As you can see I am still supporting the Piquets against cheats like Flab and Santander's teflon boy.

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Originally Posted by henners88

Each had their part in the deceit as far as I am concerned,

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It is what is commonly referred to as collusion. I thought that part was a given!
I don't think there is an ounce of moral fiber between those three "compinches"!

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Originally Posted by ioan

As you can see I am still supporting the Piquets against cheats like Flab and Santander's teflon boy.

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Like it or not, the facts are that Piquet cheated as well and there is no evidence Alonso was involved other than circumstantial.

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Originally Posted by skc

Like it or not, the facts are that Piquet cheated as well as being bloody slow and although there is no evidence Alonso was involved you do wonder.

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Edited for accuracy :D

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Originally Posted by skc

Like it or not, the facts are that Piquet cheated as well and there is no evidence Alonso was involved other than circumstantial.

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Sweet denial, I wish I could try this feeling but I just can't do it.

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Originally Posted by henners88

Why would I be eligible to take profit from a charity that deals with people recovering from brain injuries??

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It was just a subtle joke, sorry for forgetting the smileys.

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Originally Posted by Daniel

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:D So true!

Alonso must have understood the thing, if not, it wouldn´t work.

Wonder whats up next in Ferrari.

it seems only fair that after showing his amazing pace for a year and a half and then leaving because his high moral standards could not allow him to race in such a disgraceful team he should be paid some more money. I'm glad these 2 shameless @$$h0les are gone... I hope we'll never see them back.

I find it almost impossible to believe that Alonso was not involved in the crashgate like some claim. First of all he was given a very weird strategy (he pitted on lap 12 or something like that) and surely he must have known why was that going to be useful, otherwise he would have had questions to ask.

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Originally Posted by jens

I find it almost impossible to believe that Alonso was not involved in the crashgate like some claim. First of all he was given a very weird strategy (he pitted on lap 12 or something like that) and surely he must have known why was that going to be useful, otherwise he would have had questions to ask.

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and that's exactly why this thread was brought back to light... I'm glad Mia is not getting ignored and lonely with here sharp one liners... she must know by now that one of her cheap digs at FA will make the haters chorus start singing

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Originally Posted by henners88

You could wrap it up in paper, apply bunches of balloons and get it delivered to my door by a clown, I still wouldn't find a joke about brain damage funny.

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I'll give the clown a ton of sense of humor to bring you as well!

I also find it hard to believe that Alonso had NO knowledge of the plan to try to help him win the race.

there would have been a discussion along the lines of "we'll pit eary in case there's a yellow", (as it was street circuit). Fernando would have been told that at least, some times you don't have to discuss details when your the number one driver. The team are gonna help you. I' sure Fernando new something, but there's the term plausible deniability. Presidents and prime ministers use it.

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Originally Posted by henners88

He knew I'm sure, but that isn't the issue here. Piquet getting paid damages by a team who published incorrect facts about how he cheated is the issue.

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The problem is that your view of the facts is skewed, the team cheated, not Piquet.

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Originally Posted by henners88

The team ordered Piquet to crash. He crashed. They cheated. He cheated. Simple as that.

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Piquet crashed because he was told to. He was told to do so to help the team. He felt that if he didn't do it, he'd lose his job....

I ask you, if your boss told/asked you to be dishonest, and if you didn't you'd lose your job would you do it - or tell him to shove it up his ar5e........sideways.

Now, add in that the piquets are not exactly strapped for cash............

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Originally Posted by henners88

The team ordered Piquet to crash. He crashed. They cheated. He cheated. Simple as that.

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Still skewed, simple as that.

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Originally Posted by henners88

The team ordered Piquet to crash. He crashed. They cheated. He cheated. Simple as that.

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no no... the Big Bad Boo man ordered the team to order Piquet to crash.
boohoo :dozey:

team cheats and does something illegal, like a little nitro in the fuel.
Driver goes down with the team as he was the benefitee of the cheator

team cheats to have driver win race by crash out or to move over, red rover, , no penalty on the benefitee

If you are lying or cheating to get one place or a vin upp, thoose things will hunt you down for ever.

But in my book support a crash out is a bit worse than lying if that comfort you Henner. Risk other peoples life deservs hard punishment.

Originally Posted by skc http://www.motorsportforums.com/foru...s/viewpost.gif
Like it or not, the facts are that Piquet cheated as well as being bloody slow and although there is no evidence Alonso was involved you do wonder.

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Originally Posted by Daniel

Edited for accuracy :D

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Can you not edit my words in a quote attributed to me please. It's very disrespectfull :(

My words are:

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Originally Posted by skc

Like it or not, the facts are that Piquet cheated as well and there is no evidence Alonso was involved other than circumstantial.

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Please do not alter them but feel free to comment on them

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Originally Posted by ioan

Sweet denial, I wish I could try this feeling but I just can't do it.

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There is circumstantial evidence and rumour. That in no way proves he was involved but just that After the event, with Hindsight, it looks logical that the Renault strategy was designed to favour Alonso.

Lewis lied to the Stewards, Alonso blackmailed Ron, Piquet crashed on purpose in a plan to give Alonso the win. These are facts that are proven but apart from suggestion, there is no proof that Alonso had any involvement.

That might be denial in your eyes but in mine it's the facts that are available at this time.

Skc, it's common on forums to edit a quote to make a humourous point and say edited for accuracy. It is not disrespectful in any way.

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Originally Posted by MAX_THRUST

there would have been a discussion along the lines of "we'll pit eary in case there's a yellow", (as it was street circuit). Fernando would have been told that at least, some times you don't have to discuss details when your the number one driver. The team are gonna help you. I' sure Fernando new something, but there's the term plausible deniability. Presidents and prime ministers use it.

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I don't know if he knew or didn't know but you make a very fair point.

It might be a good strategy to pit early on a Street circuit but it looks pretty dodgy considering the sequence of events afterwards. I find it most telling that Alonso has refused to accept that this win is in any way tainted.

3 people are proven to be involved in this and Piquet is just as, if not more culpable than the other 2 because he could have stopped it and exposed a very dangerous issue. He would have been hailed as a hero and not the villian he has become along with the other 2.

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Originally Posted by Daniel

Skc, it's common on forums to edit a quote to make a humourous point and say edited for accuracy. It is not disrespectful in any way.

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Can I make it any clearer. DO NOT EDIT MY F*CKING POSTS AND LEAVE THEM ATTRIBUTED TO ME (Shouting intended)

If you're so dense that you cannot understand then kindly block me.

Do not overreact to a lighthearted joke where I clearly stated that I had edited your post. If I see an opportunity to do it again to make a lighthearted joke then I will.

If you're so uppity that you can't handle a joke then perhaps the internet isn't for you

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Originally Posted by Daniel

Skc, it's common on forums to edit a quote to make a humourous point and say edited for accuracy. It is not disrespectful in any way.

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It might be common on other forums but isn't allowed in here so please don't do it again.

What's the issue though Pino? Anyone can see that its clearly not what he's said. Skc is just being pedantic. To edit someones post and try to pass it off as their words IS rude and shouldn't be allowed but is this forum so far in the past that we don't allow editing of posts to make a lighthearted point whilst making it clear that an edit has been made.

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Originally Posted by Daniel

What's the issue though Pino? Anyone can see that its clearly not what he's said. Skc is just being pedantic. To edit someones post and try to pass it off as their words IS rude and shouldn't be allowed but is this forum so far in the past that we don't allow editing of posts to make a lighthearted point whilst making it clear that an edit has been made.

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The point is that you are possibly the rudest person on this forum, calling people c**ts, saying they talk cr*p, editing their posts to make some childish point you're attempting to make and then whining when people quite reasonably challenge your opinion.

Perhaps you need to look at your behaviour on here and decide if a respectfull, adult forum is the right place for you or whether you would be happier in those 'other' forums?

No disrespect intended.

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Originally Posted by Daniel

What's the issue though Pino? Anyone can see that its clearly not what he's said. Skc is just being pedantic. To edit someones post and try to pass it off as their words IS rude and shouldn't be allowed but is this forum so far in the past that we don't allow editing of posts to make a lighthearted point whilst making it clear that an edit has been made.

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Daniel, yes you did put a note saying that the post was edited, unfortunatelly my experience in here tells me that not everyone do that. So to prevent more trouble and more work for me, I won't allow it not even if it's for fun...especially on F1 forum :s

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Originally Posted by skc

The point is that you are possibly the rudest person on this forum, calling people c**ts, saying they talk cr*p, editing their posts to make some childish point you're attempting to make and then whining when people quite reasonably challenge your opinion.

Perhaps you need to look at your behaviour on here and decide if a respectfull, adult forum is the right place for you or whether you would be happier in those 'other' forums?

No disrespect intended.

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I called Bernie a c**t. A number of people use colourful language on the forum but Pino is very heavy handed if it's directed at someone. I never called anyone a c**t. What's wrong with saying someone is talking crap? It's not a swear word and it's a reasonable thing to say.

I got annoyed at people constantly attacking my opinion when I said that this is how I felt and that I respected their opinion and they should respect mine.

You may think the point was childish, that's your opinion and I respect that, but AFAIK making a childish point isn't an offence on this forum.

If you took offence at my edit I apologise, it was not my intention to represent my edit as being what you said but I did clearly label it as an edit.

Please back to the topic now :)