The battle may be over, but the war has just begun. If many of the larger clubs pull out of the FIA, the ones in countries involved with F1, like those staging the races and/or those who are manufacturers, this may take a different direction.
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The battle may be over, but the war has just begun. If many of the larger clubs pull out of the FIA, the ones in countries involved with F1, like those staging the races and/or those who are manufacturers, this may take a different direction.
Well, ADAC has withdrawn from the FIA until Max steps dow. I think they have 70,000,000 members or something?Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
That's the first. Which will be the 2nd as I think we will see some of that "serious" damage quite soon.
With this vote the FIA have been seen to serve Max's interests, not those of the FIA.
The future is now the issue, and is a real concern
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/67952Quote:
"This isn't just about the future of one person; this is about the future of a whole organisation with more than 100 years of history."
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/67959Quote:
Van Woerkom suggested some clubs are now likely to withdawn all involvement with the FIA, following ADAC's example.
"Yes, well, I am now away to have a lunch with those clubs and maybe that is the outcome of that discussion," he said.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/67958Quote:
"For Europe's largest motoring club, this is a reason to put down all its functions and the involvement in the global organisation of motoring clubs with immediate effect and to step down from the globally active FIA working groups. The ADAC will stick to this attitude as long as Max Mosley will be on duty as president of the FIA."
There may be some who are looking forward to the next battle in this mess, but some remember the FISA/FOCA "war" and hoped never to see that kind of thing happen again, but Maxgate is comparable. It may have begun with a private trip to a brothel, but it's gone waaaaay beyond that being the issue now.
Having called the meeting, set the agenda, and won the vote, Max should now resign. If not, it seems clear that there will be acrimonious division within the FIA.
I doubt they have 70.000.000 members as whole Germany has 90.000.000 citizens and that would mean that all of those over 18 would be ADAC members, which I doubt.Quote:
Originally Posted by Knock-on
Good riddance to all of them trying to put down a man for his private life while they did nothing when they had better reasons from his professional activity.Quote:
Originally Posted by Knock-on
From the comments of the Dutch representative it is clear that it was a matter of money rather than anything else.
There will be little damage if any and it will be because some losers can't take it that they lost the battle.
That would suit your POV but not that of the majority of the FIA member clubs, given the results of todays vote, or maybe we shouldn't listen anymore to what the majority wants, rather be driven by personal interests and egos?! :p :Quote:
Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1
The ADAC has frozen its activities with the FIA. Does this mean that the Rally of Germany is off for this year?
Look, the MSA decided to stay and put an end to this story!Quote:
Originally Posted by Valve Bounce
The French, I doubt they will leave.
The Dutch and Americans were unhappy but didn't leave, yet.
The Germans only left because they HAD TO BE AGAINST the "nazi" connotations of the whole affair, and they risked losing national support if they stayed.
Let's see what happens next in this game.
How will Bernie react now, after he tried to destroy Mosley's chances during the last 2 weeks?!
And how will Max return the favors?!
They said they stop their activity with the Working Group of the FIA, whatever that means.Quote:
Originally Posted by cosmicpanda
I hope you're right :dozey:Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
Bernard can now fight the FIA as hard as he likes, as he and Max are no longer buddies. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
The French won't pull out, not if Todt is being groomed for the presidents' job (not of France, the FIA ;) ) :p :
Unfortunately, I doubt it, Germany's contribution to Motorsport far exceeds that connoted by a simple representative population calculation.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1
I doubt that Mercedes and BMW will pull out of F1 because Max stays in charge of F1 after an extra marital affair.Quote:
Originally Posted by tintop
And not all Motorpsort is done under FIA approval, take a look to the USA.
A serious blow to the Anglo-Mafia on this Forum!
Now drop your Knickers and take your spanking like good Puritans!
It is interesting that ADAC attacks Mosley's private life, cause it is Nazi-like, but just exatcly what Nazi party did - when the vote doesn't suit it, it boycotts everything.
I am disgusted by ADAC and I hope that Max stays firm.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/67960 - that's how democrats act. ADAC = the true nazis in motorsport!
First of all, I don't understand what an English-Sicilian secret criminal sect is doing on this forum (or indeed what it actually is?) but I doubt that this decision by the FIA will affect them in any way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tazio
Second, what point were you trying to make?
I thought English as your first language and as such you understand it well! :p :Quote:
Originally Posted by Knock-on
This is frankly disgraceful and has no place on our Forum :(Quote:
Originally Posted by F1boat
I think you mean "is" my first language :p :Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
Anyway, it is and I still haven't a clue what point he was trying to make. Perhaps you could enlighten me ;)
It's obvious that Max wouldn't be in Paris, if it were just an "extra-marital" affair. BMW and Mercedes pulling out would constitute "a lot" of damage, not "little damage if any", I'm sure that there is an array of impact that falls somewhere in that continuum. It would be helpful to keep these things straight.Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
If you read my whole post, I don't say that the ADAC believe in the Nazi political philospohy, which would be a lie and disgraceful, but thet ADAC used questionable methods who were used by the Nazi party; which makes hypocritical their interference with Max's private life.Quote:
Originally Posted by Knock-on
Hmmm, if Bernie wants nothing to do with Max, would that mean he can become part of a Formula 1 that is split from the FIA like they did once in 1982?
I don't see any how they relate. The Nazi Party used their tactics to force another vote. ADAC are pulling out, not for another vote, but because they don't want to be seen endorsing you know who.Quote:
Originally Posted by F1boat
I reckon you are out of line drawing that comparison in the first place.
Not sure about that, a read into the Concorde agreement would be useful.Quote:
Originally Posted by Monaro Doorslammer
Tell that to the manufacturers who don't want Max. And Bernie.Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
Both come as a sign of enormous disrespect to the vote which was made.Quote:
Originally Posted by Monaro Doorslammer
That depends on how fair a vote it was. By the sounds of things, much smaller automobile clubs had the same 'one vote, one value' as much larger clubs.Quote:
Originally Posted by F1boat
No, something is definitely not right. Everyone should know better than to assume all is well and not bribing anyone. It's never that simple higher up.
I think that the system one club, one vote is much better than fiew enormous communities creating an oligarchy.
BTW, BMW now prefers to focus on racing:
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/67962
As I pointed it out earlier, because of the "nazi" connotations invoked by a certain so called "newspaper" the Germans had to vote against Max and than leave if he stayed. They are still paying the price for the WWII.Quote:
Originally Posted by F1boat
Others, although not happy with the outcome, didn't rush into such decisions.
The ADAC will be back in no time once Mosley retires, and their departure will have no influence on the German motorsport, that will be taken care of.
Theissen always looked like a very serious and decent person, so this is no surprise for me.Quote:
Originally Posted by F1boat
That is as maybe, but a lot of people are now thoroughly fed up with his "back door" tactics to elevate himself higher up the chain. One positive of that though is the increased chance of a challenge from another party for presidency of the FIA next election time.Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
The Dutch club president has stopped just short of calling the vote corrupt:
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/67959Quote:
Van Woerkom also said that it was normal that the clubs getting money from the FIA voted in favour of Mosley, although he denied there was corruption involved.
"It is more or less difficult to say, but there is a lot of money going around and if you get a small piece of that bread it can be very nice to eat," Van Woerkom said.
He also agrees that the smaller clubs effectively saved Max:
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"And he has a lot of contacts with the smaller clubs and what we have seen in the general assembly is that more or less the smaller clubs are in favour.
"But when you look to the bigger clubs, the AAA (USA), the triple A in Australia, the JAF (Japan) of 70 million members, the ADAC in Germany, the NWB in the Netherlands, they all are against. So when you count the members behind the members then I don't think he will succeed."
Don't be so silly. No they are not. What is done is done. The only person in this sorry saga who made a reference to the Germans and Nazi's was Max and his reposte of BMW and Mercedes......Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
That's the sort of jibe you would expect. He just can't seem to let go of it, can he?Quote:
Originally Posted by SGWilko
Damon Hill believes that Mosley staying on could damage the chances of the British government investing in the British GP.
http://www.itv-f1.com/News_Article.aspx?id=42853Quote:
"We really need an organisation like the FIA to help us protect our position so that we can have reasonable terms from the commercial rights holders.
"It's very difficult, when you have a president who is as controversial as Max is, to argue the case for funding for Formula 1 from the government if we need to.
"I think not taking on board the general political atmosphere is sometimes a strength, but in this case it seems to be really inconsiderate for the sport."
Damon appears to agree with the prevailing view that Max is bad for the sport's image.
Saying that you respect a decision is not the same as saying you agree with it. Mario was one of the first people to openly criticise Max (link here).Quote:
Originally Posted by ioan
These are national clubs, why would Finland or Sweden count less than the USA for example?!Quote:
Originally Posted by Monaro Doorslammer
Or what about China and India or Bresil or Pakistan? Shouldn't these count 3-4 times more than the USA? Or 10-20 times more than GB?!
Just think about it!
There is no bribing involved.Quote:
Originally Posted by Monaro Doorslammer
What the Dutch representative said is that the smaller clubs from poorer countries get more money from the common fonds in order to raise the level of the automobile related activities in those countries.
No one said anything about bribing.
It is never simple higher up, but if we go with your logic than none of the governments should stay on.
You do wonder if, having received a mandate today, that Max will now tell us that only he can save the FIA but that he will need a further term to do so!
As I said, Germans have to criticize Mosley because of their past, they can't do otherwise.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave Brockman
However some of them are sensible people and don't go the extreme route.
I didn't say he agreed with anything.
Well, you see the problem is that, anyone will now associate Max with what he did behind closed doors. Now, regretful though it is that it came out, it did. The world and his hamster now knows the kind of man he is, when before, they just knew the public face of Max.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave Brockman
That IS the problem. Peoples perception. From the public, to the bigwigs in the boardroom see him in a very different light.
So, the focus can no longer be 100% on the task at hand. He therefore is severely handicapped from doing his job.
WHat have we learned today? That despite the big hitting clubs voting against Max, it was the small insignificant ones that held the aces. Max knew that all along. He never had a doubt he would lose, not in the slightest.
But, it's about as genuine a victory as the one Mugabe tried to take.
Does Max think that, now he has won the vote, no one knows what he did in that Chelsea basement?
Let us just see what happens in the next few days. The atmosphere in the Montral paddock will be a good barometer......
Not that Damon often agreed with Mosley. This is all politics.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave Brockman
And what Damon "believes" might be true or not.