Rally History (part II)

Guys, do you know who is the quickest to win WRC event?
1. From begining of his career to his first WRC win
2. From his first WRC start to his first WRC win

Thanks

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Originally Posted by jparker

Guys, do you know who is the quickest to win WRC event?
1. From begining of his career to his first WRC win
2. From his first WRC start to his first WRC win

Thanks

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2. Jean-Claude Andruet as he won his first WRC event he took part in ;) , same we can say on Stig Blomqvist and maybe some other guys in 1973.

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Originally Posted by noel157

Wonder if anybody can help? Where can I find online stage times for the 1985 Tour de Corse and were the Rothmans Porsche entries (Beguin & Coleman) works cars or Prodrive (or both)?

Noel

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A familiar theme "when is works not works"!
As with BMW later, Prodrive probably had more association with Porsche than either wanted to admit but I don't recall them in any way running "works" cars as such then. It is fairly safe to assume that only started for Prodrive with Subaru? Technical help and direct funding are two different things. Just about everyone seems to have driven those Porsches (presumably Toivonen was in a Lancia on that rally - he had a split programme between Prodrive and Lancia that year didn't he?). Last event I saw them on Roger Clark and Saeed El Hajri were driving them!

I'm sure someone on the Tour de Course thread on the French Forum Auto
would have detailed results but I'm not sure any of the french posters there lokk at this thread (although at least one visits this forum).

I'm pretty sure the 1985 Tour de Corse stage times cannot be found online. If you want I can scan the stage results from Klein's yearbook (top 6 for all stages). Send me a PM if you're interested.

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Originally Posted by januszsz

2. Jean-Claude Andruet as he won his first WRC event he took part in ;) , same we can say on Stig Blomqvist and maybe some other guys in 1973.

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Interesting stuff :)
Thanks Januszsz

Thankyou Fal & Kabouter.

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Originally Posted by jparker

Interesting stuff :)
Thanks Januszsz

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those other guys were Shekhar Mehta and your compatriot Walter Boyce
Regards
Janusz

1980 Portugal rally, when was it run?

Jonkka has 4-6 March, but Tjeerd has 4-9 March.

Which is correct?

the one from Tjeerd is correct !

Regards
jorge

Thanks!

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Originally Posted by januszsz

2. Jean-Claude Andruet as he won his first WRC event he took part in ;) , same we can say on Stig Blomqvist and maybe some other guys in 1973.

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You are correct. Since 1973 was the first year of the WRC, many drivers won the first WRC event they took part in. I was fortunate enough to be in one of those winning cars.

Doug Woods

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Originally Posted by Doug Woods

You are correct. Since 1973 was the first year of the WRC, many drivers won the first WRC event they took part in. I was fortunate enough to be in one of those winning cars.

Doug Woods

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Yes, it's true, but you needed two attempts to win ;) . It was your second WRC rally. It's nice to see you here again Mr Woods.
Regards
Janusz

Someone knows......


25 agosto 1972

1° Hebros Rally
Start: ????
Finish: ????

km. ????
groups 1-2-3-4
national rally

Results:
1. Rumen Minchev - Yordan Velev (BMW 1600)
2. ???? ???? - ???? ???? (????)
3. ???? ???? - ???? ???? (????)

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27 agosto 1973

2° Hebros Rally
Start: ????
Finish: ????

km. ????
groups 1-2-3-4
national rally

Results:
1. Lyubomir Yurukov - Rumen Minchev (BMW 1600)
2. ???? ???? - ???? ???? (????)
3. ???? ???? - ???? ???? (????)

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26 agosto 1974
3° Hebros Rally
Start: ????
Finish: ????

km. ????
groups 1-2-3-4
national rally

Results:
1. Radoslav Peikov - Kostadin Gurlev (Renault Alpine A110 1300)
2. ???? ???? - ???? ???? (????)
3. ???? ???? - ???? ???? (????)

Thanks in advance

Giorgio

I can't help you Giorgio except of small correction: Petkov not Peikov ('74)
regards
Janusz

Thanks Janusz for the correction!

Giorgio

If someone is interested in french rallyes nationals and regionals:

http://www.phautosport.com/Forum/viewforum.php?f=3

--> Histoire des Rallyes

Best regards

Giorgio

Someone knows the real name ?

"Mardro" (Rally du Touquet - 1964 - France)
"Fouk" (Rally du Touquet - 1964 - France)
"Vic" (Charbonnières, 1965 - France)
"Belphégor" (Rally du Roussillon 1966)
"Charly" (3° Rally Presidente FCA - 1° Trofeo Luis de Baviera, 1967 - Spain)
"Goudurix" (Rally Mistral, 1968 - France)
"Pablo" (Tour de l'Aisne, 1969 - France)
"Pedro" (Tour de l'Aisne, 1969 - France) co-driver de "Pablo"
"Andy" (Haspengouw, 1972 - Belgium)
"Cocotte" Rally du Limousin, 1973 - France)
"Squalo Canela II" (Rally Isla de Gran Canaria, 1973 - Spain)
"Scarpu" (Ronde de la Giraglia 1976)
"Miriam" (Halkidikis Rally, 1994 - Greece)

Thanks in advance

Giorgio

Someone knows......


5 aprile 1969
1° Rally Matador Tatry
Start: ????
Finish: ????

km. ????
grand touring cars - touring cars
national rally

Results:
1. ???? Tvrdon - ???? Martis (Skoda 1000 MB)
2. ???? ???? - ???? ???? (????)
3. ???? ???? - ???? ???? (????)

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8 aprile 1970
2° Rally Matador Tatry
Start: ????
Finish: ????

km. ????
groups 1-2-3-4
national rally

Results:
1. Vladimir Hubacek - Vojtech Rieger (Renault R8 Gordini)
2. ???? ???? - ???? ???? (????)
3. ???? ???? - ???? ???? (????)

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9 aprile 1971
3° Rally Matador Tatry
Start: ????
Finish: ????

km. ????
groups 1-2-3-4
national rally

Results:
1. Vladimir Hubacek - Vojtech Rieger (Renault Alpine A110 1600)
2. ???? ???? - ???? ???? (????)
3. ???? ???? - ???? ???? (????)

Thanks in advance

Giorgio

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Originally Posted by Giorgio

Someone knows......

5 aprile 1969
1° Rally Matador Tatry

8 aprile 1970
2° Rally Matador Tatry

9 aprile 1971
3° Rally Matador Tatry

Thanks in advance
Giorgio

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I can add christian name of the first winner: Milan Tvrdon. I am pretty sure that word "Matador" was added much much later (21st century). It is brand of slovakian tyres in Czechoslovakia times known as "Barum". Nowadays Czechs have Barum and Slovaks have Matador. And one more: it was named Rallye Tatry (if you care about the original names).
Regards
Janusz

hi everybody

i search some result for national event in france

18th rallye de haute-picardie (11 & 12 fébruary 1995)
13th rallye charlemagne (15 & 16 july 1995)
20th rallye du béthunois (9& 10 september 1995)

rallyeblog@aol.com

thanks a lot :)

hi everybody

i search some result for national event in france

18th rallye de haute-picardie (11 & 12 fébruary 1995)
13th rallye charlemagne (15 & 16 july 1995)
20th rallye du béthunois (9& 10 september 1995)

rallyeblog@aol.com

thanks a lot :)

Very thanks for the info, Janusz !

Giorgio

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Originally Posted by elvis

hi everybody

i search some result for national event in france

18th rallye de haute-picardie (11 & 12 fébruary 1995)
13th rallye charlemagne (15 & 16 july 1995)
20th rallye du béthunois (9& 10 september 1995)

rallyeblog@aol.com

thanks a lot :)

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nobody ?

Someone knows......

22 novembre 1970 - Tour de Belgique
1. Gilbert Staepelaere - René Aerts (Ford Escort 1600)
2. Alcide Paganelli - ???? ???? (Fiat 124 Spider 1600)
3. ???? ???? - ???? ???? (????)

9 novembre 1973 - Tour de Belgique
1. ???? ???? - ???? ???? (????)
2. ???? ???? - ???? ???? (????)
3. ???? ???? - ???? ???? (????)

8 novembre 1974 - Tour de Belgique
1. "Didi" (Jean Marie Cols) - Alain Lopes (Fiat 124 Abarth)
2. ???? Darimont - ???? Nys (Fiat 124 Abarth)
3. Willy Plas - ???? Maes (Renault R12 Gordini)

1 maggio 1976 - Haspengouw Rally
1. Gilbert Staepelaere - René Aerts (Ford Escort RS 1800)
2. ???? ???? - ???? ???? (????)
3. ???? ???? - ???? ???? (????)

Thanks in advance

Giorgio

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Originally Posted by Giorgio

Someone knows......

22 novembre 1970 - Tour de Belgique
1. Gilbert Staepelaere - René Aerts (Ford Escort 1600)
2. Alcide Paganelli - ???? ???? (Fiat 124 Spider 1600)
3. ???? ???? - ???? ???? (????)

9 novembre 1973 - Tour de Belgique
1. ???? ???? - ???? ???? (????)
2. ???? ???? - ???? ???? (????)
3. ???? ???? - ???? ???? (????)

8 novembre 1974 - Tour de Belgique
1. "Didi" (Jean Marie Cols) - Alain Lopes (Fiat 124 Abarth)
2. ???? Darimont - ???? Nys (Fiat 124 Abarth)
3. Willy Plas - ???? Maes (Renault R12 Gordini)

1 maggio 1976 - Haspengouw Rally
1. Gilbert Staepelaere - René Aerts (Ford Escort RS 1800)
2. ???? ???? - ???? ???? (????)
3. ???? ???? - ???? ???? (????)

Thanks in advance

Giorgio

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Giorgio, it's André Aerts and by the way, a happy birthday and all the best !

Regards
jorge

Was going to say it's Andre Aerts but couldn't find a written record to check!
Alcide Paganelli co-driver would have been Nini Russo? (co-driving then before becoming team manager later).

Thanks, Jorge and FAL!

Giorgio

Someone knows....


?? / ?? / 1972 - 1° Haspengouw Rally (is the first ?? and the name is correct ?)

km. ????

1. Rudolf Moortgat - "Andy" (???? ????) (Ford Escort)
2. ???? ???? - ???? ???? (????)
3. ???? ???? - ???? ???? (????)

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23 settembre 1973 - Rally du Condroz

km. ????

1. ???? ???? - ???? ???? (????)
2. ???? ???? - ???? ???? (????)
3. ???? ???? - ???? ???? (????)

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6 dicembre 1975 - 12 Heures d'Ixelles

km. ????

1. Willy Plas - "Chavan" (Charles van Stalle) (Renault R12 Gordini)
2. ???? Goblet - Alain Lopes (Sunbeam)
3. ???? Levaux - ???? Moers (Renault R12 Gordini)

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13 marzo 1976 - Circuit des Ardennes

km. ????

1. Gilbert Staepelaere - "Vaillant" (Eric Symens) (Ford Escort RS)
2. "Gustavson" (Gust de Schryver) - ???? Delangen (Porsche Carrera)
3. ???? Verhulst - Georges van Oosten (Porsche Carrera)

Thanks in advance

Giorgio

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Originally Posted by FAL

Was going to say it's Andre Aerts but couldn't find a written record to check!
Alcide Paganelli co-driver would have been Nini Russo? (co-driving then before becoming team manager later).

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Yes, FAL, you are right ! Domenico Russo !

regards
jorge

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Originally Posted by Giorgio

Someone knows....


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6 dicembre 1975 - 12 Heures d'Ixelles

km. ????

2. Jean Louis Goblet - Alain Lopes (Sunbeam)

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13 marzo 1976 - Circuit des Ardennes

km. ????

1. Gilbert Staepelaere - "Vaillant" (Eric Symens) (Ford Escort RS)
2. "Gustavson" (Gust de Schryver) - ???? Delangen (Porsche Carrera)
3. Luc (?) Verhulst - Georges van Oosten (Porsche Carrera)

Thanks in advance

Giorgio

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Regards
jorge

At 1981 Tour de Corse No. 5 Alain Coppier-Josepha Laloz, Renault 5 Turbo,
No.16 Bruno Saby-Daniel le Saux, Renault 5 Turbo

Were they works Renaults, like Ragnotti, or not?

If not, does anybody know the entrant of those cars?

Thanks!

Thank you Jorge!

Giorgio

Another one from 1981:

At Marlboro rallye do Brasil, Datsun Violet of Mehta-Mehta and Datsun 160J of Recalde -del Buono, were entered by Ma.Ma.Sa, as in Argentina, or not?

Thanks!

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Originally Posted by Kaps

At 1981 Tour de Corse No. 5 Alain Coppier-Josepha Laloz, Renault 5 Turbo,
No.16 Bruno Saby-Daniel le Saux, Renault 5 Turbo

Were they works Renaults, like Ragnotti, or not?

If not, does anybody know the entrant of those cars?

Thanks!

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And another one from 1981, this should be FAL's jurisdiction.

Ford Escort RS of Lampi-Kuukkala was entered at 1000 Lakes by David Sutton Motorsport. Was it the same at Swedish and at RAC?

Someone knows....

27 marzo 1976 - Anvers - Liège - Anvers
Willy Plas - ???? Doum (Renault R17 Gordini)
"Gustavson" (Gust de Schryver) - ???? Delangen (Porsche Carrera)

1 maggio 1976 - Haspengouw Rally
1. Gilbert Staepelaere - André Aerts (Ford Escort RS 1800)
2. ???? ???? - ???? ???? (????)
3. ???? ???? - ???? ???? (????)

23 maggio 1976 - Criterium Lucien Bianchi
Flory Roothaert - ???? Nijs (Renault Alpine A110 1600)

11 settembre 1976 - 12 Heures de la Panne
???? Lois - ???? Rossi (Porsche)
???? Verhulst - ???? van den Houtte (Opel Kadett GTE)

17 settembre 1976 - 1° De 3 Zustersteden (is the first ?? and the name is correct ?)

1. ???? ???? - ???? ???? (????)
2. ???? ???? - ???? ???? (????)
3. ???? ???? - ???? ???? (????)

Thanks in advance

Giorgio

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Originally Posted by Kaps

And another one from 1981, this should be FAL's jurisdiction.

Ford Escort RS of Lampi-Kuukkala was entered at 1000 Lakes by David Sutton Motorsport. Was it the same at Swedish and at RAC?

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81 RAC shows entrant as Lasse Lampi himself. Surprised that Sutton should appear as any entrant in 1981. David Sutton Cars/Sutton Motorsport operated as "Rothmans Rally Team" for 1980 and 81. (2 cars on Swedish and 1000 Lakes - Vatanen and Arrikkala - and 3 cars on RAC - those 2 + Wilson). Lampi may have had an ex-Sutton hire car but I'm surprised it was entered by Sutton or serviced by Sutton. Maybe our recent new member Paul Batten knows?

I have here a postcard with these notes:
Car: Audi Quattro
Number: 21
Rally: Costa Smeralda 1981
Result: 4th

Please someone knows who was the driver and codriver and maybe the team or entrant?

Thank you very much in advance.

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Originally Posted by Wim_Impreza

I have here a postcard with these notes:
Car: Audi Quattro
Number: 21
Rally: Costa Smeralda 1981
Result: 4th

Please someone knows who was the driver and codriver and maybe the team or entrant?

Thank you very much in advance.

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Michele Cinotto and Emilio Radaelli, I'm not sure about the team.

Thank you. If you know the team in the future, please contact me.

It was one official car ! Audi Sport !

regards
jorge