Ferrari/McLaren Espionage Story [merged]

I think this is all a plan by Spyker to nab the key personal from various teams.
Get them framed for crimes they didn't commit, and then when no one else wants them, hire them cheap and build a top team.

Just you watch...

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Originally Posted by ICKE

They should not let Mclaren race in Silverstone, because this investigation needs to be completed and the responsible people need to be brought to justice.

How can Ferrari accept that their own information might be used against them in the championship. This is serious stuff, because teams burn hundreds of millions in order win.

Whatever the outcome, the championship is tainted.

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hilarious... You are a funny boy

I like a lot the way you think... They shouldn't allow them to compete at Silverstone... I guess they are guilty until they prove the contrary

whatever the outcome, the excuse was found.

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Originally Posted by eu

it makes sense... In the end the whole thing will explain how McLaren stole speed from Ferrari for 3 races

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i was right about this one... there's already a thread going on where people start punishing McLaren really hard because they've stolen a ferrari and painted like a mirror

I know what McLaren took from ferrari... vodafone... OMG

The fact that Mclaren sacked their technical director at moments notice tells us that they probably knew what was going on. They had no defensive response, straight dismissal.

However I dont expect them to be punished.

:s hock: Spys!... they're everywhere! :uhoh:


:p :

I'm not going to jump to conclusions that these secrets turned McLaren's fortune around magically, but I'm also not stupid enough to think that nobody at McLaren saw the documents except the single person mentioned!! Nobody steals information and just holds onto it for his own enjoyment! It will be up to the investigators to see how far this has gone within the organizations. I am very curious as to exactly what type of info was exchanged. If there is high-level involvement in this, I would expect to see RD sell his shares quickly and make an exit from the team.

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Originally Posted by ICKE

The fact that Mclaren sacked their technical director at moments notice tells us that they probably knew what was going on. They had no defensive response, straight dismissal.

However I dont expect them to be punished.

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been around motorsport for a while, have you?

don't be so innocent. what do you think this is?

put the dummy back in before ioan reads your post and hits the rev limiter.

the really curious thing is that very little raw data is applicable to non-source teams anyway.

apart from the teams sharing a major component or two (eg, toyota and williams, honda and aguri, renault and RBR) nobody uses common parts, so there's no baseline. none of it makes any sense on any car other than the one the data is gleaned from.

even aero is not immune. first, you need to have a good, pure chassis setup. then you need aero that works WITH that setup.

but - and here's the fun bit - it only works with THAT setup.

you can take ideas and reapply them to your own chassis, your own braking system, your own heat loads, your own lubricant viscosity, your own carbon shear rate etc.

but it's not like touring cars or F3 or GP2 where these things are directly applicable.

Even tyre info spying is so common that all the team spies talk to each other to make sure they've noted the right specifications etc.

please come down off the high horse.

Has McLaren benefited? maybe. did McLaren know approximately? Maybe. did McLaren know exactly? seriously doubt it.

and you could ask and receive the same answers for every team on the grid.

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Originally Posted by Mickey T

put the dummy back in before ioan reads your post and hits the rev limiter.

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don't worry for me! :D
I'll sit and wait patiently. :p :

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Originally Posted by ICKE

The fact that Mclaren sacked their technical director at moments notice tells us that they probably knew what was going on. They had no defensive response, straight dismissal.

However I dont expect them to be punished.

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:rolleyes:

Suspended not sacked, so it only tells us you didn't read it properly.

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Originally Posted by ICKE

They should not let Mclaren race in Silverstone, because this investigation needs to be completed and the responsible people need to be brought to justice.

How can Ferrari accept that their own information might be used against them in the championship. This is serious stuff, because teams burn hundreds of millions in order win.

Whatever the outcome, the championship is tainted.

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They should round up all the McLaren cars, and burn them under a cross by men wearing pointed head caps and hoods. That'll teach anyone who wants to engage in espionage in the future to beat the red cars.