another school shooting in U.S. of A. :(

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Originally Posted by Dave B

Seems this nutjob used weapons legally held by his mother. US gun controls simply do not work, they make it trivially easy for lunatics to arm themselves. Still: freedom blah blah blah.

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I am imagining that anthonyvop is taking a brief break from this thread to go and celebrate his freedom by taking potshots at a Union flag.

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Originally Posted by henners88

Its been said before but if you live in a society where guns are common; if you are attacked or burgled, the chances of the individual carrying a gun is higher. If you live somewhere like the UK or somewhere else where gun ownership is restricted, then the chances of getting attacked with a fire arm is rather slim.

My house has a burglar alarm even though there hasn't been a burglary on my estate for over 5 years and that instance didn't involve an occupied premises. I live in a pretty safe area and I'm not generally a paranoid person where I think about remote possibilities or what ifs. Burglars don't tend to carry guns here, of course that doesn't mean there have never been armed robberies here either. Another common example would be If I got into an argument whilst driving (road rage) the chances are the other person won't pull a gun on me lol. I think we just have very different societies and its always going to have a clash of opinions because one country is full of citizens that feel they need guns for protection and the other really doesn't have the problem.

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I think over here, knife crime is the big problem.

The road rage reference hit home, as it was just up the road from me here that Kenneth Noye stabbed a chap on the Swanley roundabout in such a moment of rage.

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

I think over here, knife crime is the big problem.

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As ever, fear of crime — including knife crime — is greater than is the risk of crime itself.

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

As ever, fear of crime — including knife crime — is greater than is the risk of crime itself.

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Agreed - I lay a big portion of the blame of fuelling that fear at the media.

Fact is that an easy fast solution does not exist.
On this end we are seeing more of a public outcry for the federal government to actually come up with a plan.
The fact that it was children (and of course that these events are becoming ever more often) has made the public reactions more emotional and people are upset.

What will happen? - who knows . . . . As an optimist I do hope that this is an opportunity to do something that will actually make a difference and begins the road to change.

This is nuts.

And as for gun sales being in danger right now of lowering their sales - au contraire - gun sales go up.

Gun Sales In 2012 Set Record, FBI Data Indicates

20 children don't "live" freedom do they? For them the concept of freedom is worthless.

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Originally Posted by race aficionado

Fact is that an easy fast solution does not exist.
On this end we are seeing more of a public outcry for the federal government to actually come up with a plan.
The fact that it was children (and of course that these events are becoming ever more often) has made the public reactions more emotional and people are upset.

What will happen? - who knows . . . . As an optimist I do hope that this is an opportunity to do something that will actually make a difference and begins the road to change.

This is nuts.

And as for gun sales being in danger right now of lowering their sales - au contraire - gun sales go up.

Gun Sales In 2012 Set Record, FBI Data Indicates

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There was a panorama or Dispatches program a while back over here about the gun ownership bill or whatever in the States. The vested interests and political shenanigans was quite an eye opener.

Is there the will from the government to spurn big corporations/money by changing these gun laws? It does I think become more complicated with the vested interests and how they differ state to state too.

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Originally Posted by Rollo

20 children don't "live" freedom do they? For them the concept of freedom is worthless.

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We can only hope that their deaths will not therefore be in vain, and a fundamental change is begun.

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Originally Posted by race aficionado

And as for gun sales being in danger right now of lowering their sales - au contraire - gun sales go up.

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Given that the USA is hardly a lawless hell-hole, one can only place the blame for this on paranoia.

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

There was a panorama or Dispatches program a while back over here about the gun ownership bill or whatever in the States. The vested interests and political shenanigans was quite an eye opener.

Is there the will from the government to spurn big corporations/money by changing these gun laws? It does I think become more complicated with the vested interests and how they differ state to state too.

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I don't know much about it, I know it exists and I know that it is a very powerful lobbying entity.

The NRA
*check out their video
NRA