Same Sex Marriage

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Originally Posted by hornet

I have no issue with religious organisations having a "right to refuse" to conduct gay ceremonies as long as they stop playing the discrimination card when (for example) businesses seek to enforce in house rules about overt religious symbols. If your private club is allowed to discriminate on the grounds of faith, any other club should likewise be allowed to discriminate on whatever grounds they wish. Opens a huge can of worms, but there is no reason why faith should have elevated status in that regard.

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OK - consider a no jewelery policy (air stewardesses for example, so drunken oiks can't grab hold of necklaces etc) and the poor little darling moans that as it is a cross on her necklace, the company is descriminating on religious grounds..........

This topic is like the kings new clothes. No-one dared to say what they really think. [apart from that innocent of course].

Even if the orthodox church will ever admit such marriages ( which is quite imposible since orthodox means to follow dogmatically ), the ceremony would be a farce since all the service is a long incantation about man and woman and a prayer for blessing them with the "fruits of the womb".

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Originally Posted by In The Pits

This topic is like the kings new clothes. No-one dared to say what they really think. [apart from that innocent of course].

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Well it shouldn't be. If somebody holds homophobic views then that's their lookout and I defend their right to discuss it, provided they engage in constructive conversation and not simply hurling insults. I'm always fascinated to hear other opinions and the reasoning behind them.

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Originally Posted by gadjo_dilo

Even if the orthodox church will ever admit such marriages ( which is quite imposible since orthodox means to follow dogmatically ), the ceremony would be a farce since all the service is a long incantation about man and woman and a prayer for blessing them with the "fruits of the womb".

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Have you never seen the great epic classic Arnie film Twins? ;)

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Originally Posted by Dave B

Well it shouldn't be. If somebody holds homophobic views then that's their lookout and I defend their right to discuss it, provided they engage in constructive conversation and not simply hurling insults. I'm always fascinated to hear other opinions and the reasoning behind them.

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That's because you have an open mind, and have no desire to be either inflexible or unsympathetic to others' opinions.

Sometimes, I get the impression that some on here are worse in their attempt at steamrollering their own opinion than the very folk they dissagree with.

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

Have you never seen the great epic classic Arnie film Twins? ;)

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I'm afraid I'll die before seeing an Arnie film.

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Originally Posted by Dave B

Some people choose to take parts of the bible literally to justify their homophobia, but get all vague and say it's open to interpretation when the text appears to forbid something they actually like doing - even shaving a beard is a no-no if you take it literally, and working on a Sunday should apparently result in death yet most of the staff at my local B&Q seem to be coping alright. Most of them...

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Yes, the overt hypocrisy of the Church really frustrates me as well. Their stance on this is fundamentally flawed.

The main passage that Christians use to justify discrimination of Homosexuals is Leviticus. My God (pun intended), what a pile of crap that is. It was supposed to have been written by Moses but in reality, was written between the 1st and 5th Century with passages included from ancient scriptures. In it we have:

Animal sacrifices to God
'Blooding' of Aaron, a follower, by Moses
Murder of Aaron's sons by God
Apparently Hares are unclean because they eat grass and 4 legged Birds are an abomination
He doesn't like Bats either think these are unclean
Contrary to popular belief, insects only have 4 legs and not 6????
Lots of sexism:
. Baby girls are twice as dirty as boys
. Menstruating women are unclean
. You shouldn't look on a Menstruating woman
. If you have sex with a Slave girl, she should be soundly whipped afterwards, preferably with a multi thronged whip, and inflict severe Corporal Punishment
. Women with familiar spirits should be killed
. If a priest has an 'impure' daughter, she shall be burned to death (I suppose sons are OK?)
Don't wear garments of different fibres or materials
Don't shape your beard or head (hair)
Children who swear at their parents should be killed, so should adulterers (unless it's with a slave girl obviously) and Homosexuals
If you're handicapped, you're not allowed to approach the alter

So, in one book, we discriminate against homosexuals, females, animals and the handicapped; commit infanticide, torture and murder, set the basis for the mass genocide of tens of thousands of women during the Reformation and other 'witch' hunts and various other atrocities and statements of lunacy.

And this book is what the 'modern' Church uses today to justify its stance on same sex Marriage? I think the Church would be better advised to consign Old Testament nonsense like this to a regrettable history that is swept under the carpet in favour of the more relevant teachings of the New Testament that better relates to how people perceive it today. In particular, the word of Christ as recounted by St Paul states:

"There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus."

This seems quite enlightened to me and suggests everyone is equal within the Church and nobody should be treated differently. However, this doesn't fit in with the outdated, Conservative views of senior 'Christian' members of the Church so it's back to burning Witches, Torturing Slaves, Unclean Women and Murdering Children. Whoops, sorry, forgot about the Gays.

At the moment the Church is confused and I think ill-advised with its meandering direction. Perhaps this is why people are losing faith with the Christian Faith.

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Originally Posted by Knock-on

. Menstruating women are unclean

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That's true.