Driver and Donkey of the British GP

very good: Webber and Alonso
good; Massa and Kimi.

bad: Pastor and Koba.

About the latter. That chop in the pits was horrible, I feared for the pitcrews life there.

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Originally Posted by Bagwan

Which , brings us neatly back to that guy almost everyone is donkeying .

Sergio knew well that Pastor wouldn't give in , and he drove into the path of the bullet .

That , in my eyes , makes him more of a donkey here than Pastor .
Maybe Pastor's a donkey for misjudging the move , but he's just a little donkey .
Bigger donkey is Sergio , for thinking little donkey would not be as stubborn as a big donkey .
And , Sergio becomes a bigger donkey when he explains afterwards that he knew this particular little donkey was more stubborn than all the other donkeys .

Those calling for Pastor to be replaced will be disappointed , as he's doing a good job in their eyes , if you believe what they say , and what they seem to be telling him , from what he says .

Now , there is pressure on both Sauber drivers to perform , as the car is seen to be quick .
Nice deflection , Sergio .

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Why is Sergio more of a donkey?

Sergio gave enough room to go wheel to wheel into the corner.

It was Pastor who lost it towards the apex so he is arguably more of a donkey for misjudging the grip available after coming out of the pits.

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Originally Posted by Bagwan

Which , brings us neatly back to that guy almost everyone is donkeying .

Sergio knew well that Pastor wouldn't give in , and he drove into the path of the bullet .

That , in my eyes , makes him more of a donkey here than Pastor .
Maybe Pastor's a donkey for misjudging the move , but he's just a little donkey .
Bigger donkey is Sergio , for thinking little donkey would not be as stubborn as a big donkey .
And , Sergio becomes a bigger donkey when he explains afterwards that he knew this particular little donkey was more stubborn than all the other donkeys .

Those calling for Pastor to be replaced will be disappointed , as he's doing a good job in their eyes , if you believe what they say , and what they seem to be telling him , from what he says .

Now , there is pressure on both Sauber drivers to perform , as the car is seen to be quick .
Nice deflection , Sergio .

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Yeah, DON'T overtake on the outside is the rule.

Oh, unless you are JV, then, hey, that's just fine and dandy, init tho?

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

Yeah, DON'T overtake on the outside is the rule.

Oh, unless you are JV, then, hey, that's just fine and dandy, init tho?

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That reminds me of James Hunt's lecture to Mario Andretti that "we don't overtake around the outside in F1" after this:

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Of course you can overtake on the outside .

You've got two guys going into a corner , and both want to come out the other end of it in front .
Both are under not only the regular pressure of competition , but also belong to underdog teams where they are being questioned for non-performance , so want desperately to do well .
You are nearing the end of the race .

Maldonado's not the first misjudge the inside line , and Perez is not the first to try going around the outside risking that the inside man could slide into him .
Both had every right to race each other .
They were side by side .

Maybe you're right , wedge , although he did have a little more room to try to skirt the issue of a car he was holding to a tighter line , if he hadn't given up the attempt to defend , from sliding into him .
I will allow them both to be little donkeys , up until Sergio got in front of the mic .

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Originally Posted by Bagwan

Which , brings us neatly back to that guy almost everyone is donkeying .

Sergio knew well that Pastor wouldn't give in , and he drove into the path of the bullet .

That , in my eyes , makes him more of a donkey here than Pastor .
Maybe Pastor's a donkey for misjudging the move , but he's just a little donkey .
Bigger donkey is Sergio , for thinking little donkey would not be as stubborn as a big donkey .
And , Sergio becomes a bigger donkey when he explains afterwards that he knew this particular little donkey was more stubborn than all the other donkeys .

Those calling for Pastor to be replaced will be disappointed , as he's doing a good job in their eyes , if you believe what they say , and what they seem to be telling him , from what he says .

Now , there is pressure on both Sauber drivers to perform , as the car is seen to be quick .
Nice deflection , Sergio .

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Finally someone posts what I've been thinking.

If Pastor is such a disrespectful dangerous idiot why place yourself on his outside entirely at his mercy so you can be taken out by him?

As for Sergio he's been making some odd comments lately. After his podium in Canada he claimed he was happy for the team as Sauber hadn't scored any points since his last podium in Malaysia. I thought this was odd and looked it up, of course Sauber had scored points but Sergio hadn't. I guess Kobayashi drives for a different team then...

Then before Silverstone he claimed that Sauber just HAD to improve its qualifying performance because he'd failed to break into Q3 for several races. Again I guess Kobayashi drivers for a different team because he's been doing just fine in the other blue and white car....

I had heard on the grapevine that Ferrari were going cool on him because his head has been growing too big lately and he's a difficult guy to work with. I'm starting to believe that.

As for the incident, Pastor lost his rear for a bit on cold tyres which went straight into Sergio. Wasn't a deliberate move or a particularly outrageous mistake either. Sergio shouldn't have been so close to him.

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Originally Posted by Malbec

why place yourself on his outside entirely at his mercy so you can be taken out by him?

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Ummmmmmm, because it is a race, and because a pass was legitimate, and because others had made that pass.

If not, lets just pack up and not bother.

To suggest that Sergio is donkey of the race and to defend Pastor for what is essentially a duplicate of the move he pulled on Hamilton in Valencia is absolute hogwash!
In neither instance did he attempt to correct his steering towards the left to avoid a collision. We have seen his deliberate moves on Hamilton at Spa and Perez at Monaco. He is dangerous and should have been banned for his thuggish driving style for at least a race. They have been to lenient on him. It's time!
Driver of the race: Webber.

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Originally Posted by Malbec

If Pastor is such a disrespectful dangerous idiot why place yourself on his outside entirely at his mercy so you can be taken out by him?
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Cant say I agree, why would any driver have in the back of his mind "I dont want to go near him, I a frightened he will crash into me" and simply let him past without fighting for position?

What are the rules for rejoining the track? Pastor needs to have more respect and sportsmanship for other drivers when rejoining the track, F1 would become more dangerous if everyone did this, and this isn't what F1 needs.

I thought Kobayashi was a bit of a donkey. Some great moves throughout the race, but at other times erratic on track and of course bowling over his pit crew. Maldonado just had the one mistake, a pretty clumsy error but I wouldn't look into it more than that. However he needs a few clean weekends.

I am a bit disappointed by Lotus and Sauber, both capable of more points than they achieved. I would like to see more race winners this season, and if Lotus just gets everything right (or at least incident free) then they have a good chance of winning.

Drivers of the race are Alonso and Webber.