Should f1 run coupes?

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Originally Posted by Mark

I refer the honourable gentleman to the FIA Technical Regulations re: Formula 1 cars. If it's not in there it's not an F1 car.

Otherwise "proof" is an arbitary concept, you can't be the sole arbiter of what is proven or not proven.

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OK I will agree with you on that, but let's imagine that the FORMULA 1 rules get changed and the wheels have to be faired and a roof has to be put over the driver? Then is it an F1 car? yes.

The point that you've made very well there is that an F1 car isn't what we think it is, but what the rules say that it needs to be. Which someone disproves the theory that for a car to be an F1 car it would HAVE to be open wheen and open cockpit.

If the FIA say it is, then it is, but of course that's not what we're talking about here.

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Originally Posted by Mark

If the FIA say it is, then it is, but of course that's not what we're talking about here.

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then what the FIA say is irrelevant therefore due to previous mention of said goat argument, your argument is hereby deemed irrelevant :D

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Originally Posted by Daniel

then what the FIA say is irrelevant therefore due to previous mention of said goat argument, your argument is hereby deemed irrelevant :D

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If you substitute the goat for a Kid, does it still satisfy your argument.

So when a team 'breaks' the rules (e.g Sauber in Melbourne) the car ceases to be an F1 car? Ooooh, that's confuddling.

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Originally Posted by barryfullalove

So when a team 'breaks' the rules (e.g Sauber in Melbourne) the car ceases to be an F1 car? Ooooh, that's confuddling.

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People are scrambling to somehow concoct an exact definition of what an F1 car is. Some of the current cars will cease to be F1 cars when the exhaust blown difusers are banned......

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Originally Posted by barryfullalove

So when a team 'breaks' the rules (e.g Sauber in Melbourne) the car ceases to be an F1 car? Ooooh, that's confuddling.

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Barry, we are discussing a change from open wheel to coupe. What part does the incorrect radius on a rear wing element play in a car going from open wheel to becoming a coupe?

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Originally Posted by Daniel

i simply don't get what is so bad about the car below or the Caparo T1. The F1 genes are still very much apparent, but you have lessened the risk of wheel to wheel accidents and the risk of Surtees/Massa style incidents. But then I guess as usual someone has to die in F1 for it to want to be safer.....

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There's nothing wrong with them at all, it's just they're starting to look like the current crop of LMP cars, which in turn are looking ever more like F1 cars with a few bits of bodywork added. If that evolution continues, what difference will there be between the two series other than race length? As for the last comment, little bit knee jerk isn't it? People were getting killed on the Mulsanne long before they put the chicanes in, so are we going to accuse the ACO of waiting for serious accidents before making changes?

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Originally Posted by Daniel

People are scrambling to somehow concoct an exact definition of what an F1 car is. Some of the current cars will cease to be F1 cars when the exhaust blown difusers are banned......

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An F1 car, one would imagine, be a car designed to the rules, and entered into the championship for Formula One cars, which currently, is an open wheel series.

Turn up with a lid on your cockpit and wheel fairings, and I suspect you'd have spent an awful lot of money for nothing, except maybe your BFH.

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

An F1 car, one would imagine, be a car designed to the rules, and entered into the championship for Formula One cars, which currently, is an open wheel series.

Turn up with a lid on your cockpit and wheel fairings, and I suspect you'd have spent an awful lot of money for nothing, except maybe your BFH.

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You don't seem to get it. I'm not talking about the current rules which I imagine preclude cars from having fairings or a roof over the driver currently. I'm saying that the rules should be changed to make for safer racing by allowing for wheel fairings and roofs.