Libya no fly zone

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Originally Posted by Mr Alcatraz

I think you are paranoid! I myself am skeptical and I have stated so on this thread. The difference is that I will not unilaterally reject the belief that dialog and cooperation is something quite different.
Submitted for your antagonistic rejection:
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/14/op...slaughter.html
I still think you have jumped the gun and, are trying to even a score on past trespasses. Your position is too simple minded to understand that diplomacy, and co-operation of the players in that part of the world is a real attainable goal. Perhaps you would dismiss this whole chapter in world history. The situation is dire in Libya but it still has a pulse.
These things take time. It is just your hatred of the current administration, and guilt about the underhandedness of the last that makes you want to see this situation fall apart. This particular one may, but it's only a matter of time, because this is an honest revolution. Hopefully someone who is less partisan, and vindictive will realize that this is a hinge-pin in the fight that has a much larger upside than down.
Although I doubt you actualy care for humanity in North Africa. Thankfully I am confident that this will get done with or without us in the not too distant future.

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So does this mean if we support democracy then we have to be open to taking refugees from the embattled country?? If so then I think we should go find and "good" dictator. I think other Euro countries should be allowed to control their immigration down to the single person level. This world is rapidly turning into a giant cesspool and playing a large role is immigration.

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Originally Posted by Roamy

So does this mean if we support democracy then we have to be open to taking refugees from the embattled country?? If so then I think we should go find and "good" dictator. I think other Euro countries should be allowed to control their immigration down to the single person level. This world is rapidly turning into a giant cesspool and playing a large role is immigration.

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No It means if we support democracy and not start crying the sky is falling, we won’t need to.
How many Egyptian and Tunisian refugees suddenly showed up looking for a hand out! My point has been to get the situation through diplomacy to cool down. This is not a true false test, with sudden perfectly functioning governments in place. If your looking for instant gratification you missed the flight to Thailand

Why aren't the freaking TIREs blowing the Sh!t out of Ghaddfi?????

Well the TIREs let ghadaffi stay in power so maybe iran and the muslim brotherhood has a greater impact than we thought.

Nurse! He's out of bed again...

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Originally Posted by Roamy

Why aren't the freaking TIREs blowing the Sh!t out of Ghaddfi?????

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I have flip-flopped a couple times on this issue. And I think Sarkosy might have jumped the gun MAYBE
I have a very simplistic view as to who should participate in these events. I felt that Great Britain had to go to Iraq with us because they were largely responsible for drawing the borders in that part of the world, I know it doesn't really stand up to logic. As for Libya, It was an Italian Colony for about 35 years and I think they should step up to the plate. As an aside, they had a Grand Prix there and one year was what is considered the worse race fixing scandle in the pre F1 era and it included my man Tazio
http://www.lifeinitaly.com/heroes-vi...tazio-nuvolari

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Nuvolari's career was not without its scandals, like the accusations of race fixing at the Tripoli Grand Prix. Along with Baconin Borzacchini and Achilee Varzi, it is said that Nuvolari fixed the race in order to get benefits from the Libyan State lottery.

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Dtype, Ron, Arrows and I suspect many more or could fill in the details.

From what I understand the Last city the rebels hold is not a place that Gadaffi is, or has been welcome. So there is a chance that there can be a resolution, or at least a time to reflect on the fact that there are 1 million citizens that are willing to fight to the last man.
Other than that Obama pussed out and I've taken him off my Christmas list.

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Originally Posted by Mr Alcatraz

As for Libya, It was an Italian Colony for about 35 years and I think they should step up to the plate.

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Ask Berlusconi about his pacts with Gadaffi ;) :dozey:

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Originally Posted by donKey jote

Ask Berlusconi about his pacts with Gadaffi ;) :dozey:

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Have you got his number? :confused:
I have a cup of nice hot Coco with his name on it.

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:A...tk-xhzkL3nDnya

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Originally Posted by donKey jote

Ask Berlusconi about his pacts with Gadaffi ;) :dozey:

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oh you mean the pedophile club ??

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Originally Posted by Roamy

Why aren't the freaking TIREs blowing the Sh!t out of Ghaddfi?????

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The EU is an economic entity and not a military one. NATO which is the supra-national military alliance also includes the US and Canada. Also, because of the Berlin Plus agreement the EU would only act if NATO doesn't.

Your question should be "why isn't the US blowing up Gaddafi?" because in practice the US probably contributes 54% of NATO nation's spending by itself.
http://www.sipri.org/research/armame...utput/milex_15

Really there isn't anything to be gained by interfering in what amounts to a Civil War. If you remove Gaddafi it creates a political vacuum, this then causes a state of anarchy which doesn't make anything better.