Pirelli

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Originally Posted by Sleeper

From what I've read from more knowledgeable sources than Pitpass, what we're seeing in testing is a combination of cold weather and Pirillis very stiff construction leading to serious degredation. What none of you has mentioned so far is that the tyres arent being run in the conditions they were designed for. it should also be pointed out that Pirelli dont have data of their own to work with so they've had to go conservative on the construction to start with, and they do maintain the right to make changes mid season if it proves that they've gone to far. Everything else in this thread is speculation and hot air.

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Pirelli isn't very stiff. It's construction is softer than Bridgestones. Massa can lean more from the outside tyres when cornering.

Paul Hembrey -Pirelli
“We have to communicate very clearly our priorities and objectives in Formula 1, which is to fulfil the brief handed to us by FOM and FOTA to promote overtaking,”
“Because of that we have constructed a tyre that is designed to last for about 100 kilometres (62 miles), which should lead to two pit-stops per race on average. Naturally, that doesn’t mean that we’re not capable of building a tyre that will last a whole race or even five or six races – in fact, it would be considerably easier to do so."
“Instead, we want to do something to help the show a bit, but we need to make it clear that the wear characteristics of these F1 tyres are completely different to those of our road car tyres because they are built to do two entirely different jobs. It’s like comparing mozzarella cheese to parmesan and we are very clear about this.”

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Originally Posted by Bagwan

Paul Hembrey -Pirelli
“We have to communicate very clearly our priorities and objectives in Formula 1, which is to fulfil the brief handed to us by FOM and FOTA to promote overtaking,”
“Because of that we have constructed a tyre that is designed to last for about 100 kilometres (62 miles), which should lead to two pit-stops per race on average. Naturally, that doesn’t mean that we’re not capable of building a tyre that will last a whole race or even five or six races – in fact, it would be considerably easier to do so."
“Instead, we want to do something to help the show a bit, but we need to make it clear that the wear characteristics of these F1 tyres are completely different to those of our road car tyres because they are built to do two entirely different jobs. It’s like comparing mozzarella cheese to parmesan and we are very clear about this.”

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So, no relevance or transference whatsover to the 'real motoring world' then....

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

So, no relevance or transference whatsover to the 'real motoring world' then....

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Best transfer I can find in it would be to say that it will confirm one extreme end of the tailoring to specific conditions scale , not that it would be of much use on the road anyway .
But then , a tire that would run longer , like the Bridgestones or Michelins from years past weren't really running all that much farther , maybe double the mileage .
And , they were producing marbles as well , especially in the thick of the tire war .

There's not much difference in the end , and no F1 tire has been appropriate in any way for being a road tire for a long , long time .

Aren't Pirelli road tyres really soft anyway (in general), hence why they're so good. If you want something that's going miles then get something cheap like Nankang ditch-finders.

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Originally Posted by Bagwan

Paul Hembrey -Pirelli
“We have to communicate very clearly our priorities and objectives in Formula 1, which is to fulfil the brief handed to us by FOM and FOTA to promote overtaking,”
“Because of that we have constructed a tyre that is designed to last for about 100 kilometres (62 miles), which should lead to two pit-stops per race on average. Naturally, that doesn’t mean that we’re not capable of building a tyre that will last a whole race or even five or six races – in fact, it would be considerably easier to do so."
“Instead, we want to do something to help the show a bit, but we need to make it clear that the wear characteristics of these F1 tyres are completely different to those of our road car tyres because they are built to do two entirely different jobs. It’s like comparing mozzarella cheese to parmesan and we are very clear about this.”

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Thanks for that. Unfortunately it won't stop the cries of "Pirelli tyres are rubbish!"

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Originally Posted by barryfullalove

Aren't Pirelli road tyres really soft anyway (in general), hence why they're so good. If you want something that's going miles then get something cheap like Nankang ditch-finders.

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Depends which ones you get, when I first got my Fiesta I got Pirelli Zero Nero's on it, and they gave very good grip, but were indeed quite soft so wore out quickly.

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Originally Posted by SGWilko

So, no relevance or transference whatsover to the 'real motoring world' then....

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Again, don't blame Pirelli. It's the stupid rules and Todt being anally retarded for not getting rid of using both compounds during a race. Any other company would have problems promoting their tyres on the back of F1 with the current rules.

While yes it's true in a way that it's not Pirelli's fault, it's the fault of the rules with the control tyres, at the end of the day Pirelli knew the rules and the "brief" when they signed up, so they knew what they were getting themselves into. In that respect I have no sympathy for them. If you willingly aid and abet a criminal then you are in turn guilty of an offence yourself.

I've far more respect for Michelin who have stuck to their principles and said they'd only come back when there was proper competition again. Sadly I'm not sure if we ever will again.

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Originally Posted by V12

I've far more respect for Michelin who have stuck to their principles and said they'd only come back when there was proper competition again. Sadly I'm not sure if we ever will again.

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I think Michelin were prepared to be the sole tyre supplier, but with a condition;

That they could use this opportunity as a research bed for their energy saving tyres, knowledge from which they would apply directly to their road car tyre range......