Student Riots

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Originally Posted by Brown, Jon Brow

I don't understand the argument that the increase in fees is going to put the poor students off from going to university? How exactly? There are still no upfront costs. Student loans aren't only just given out to the rich.

As a recent graduate I don't have an issue with having to pay back my student debts. I know that I will only have to pay them back when I'm earning enough to afford it.

I also don't have an issue that people didn't have to pay in the past. The current system is unsustainable. We can't afford to pay for 50% of 18 year old to go to university.

By biggest grievance is that the highest earners pay less for university in the long-run. This is because they pay the loan off faster. This means it gathers less interest. The loan should be interest free.

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To me those that go to Uni and then end up either unemployed or in a poorly paid job are the ones that should be targeted as they are clearly the problem area not those who get decent degrees and then go on to get decent jobs and paying their whack in taxes.

Clobber the sociology & psychology wasters not the nurses, teachers etc

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Originally Posted by Bolton Midnight

To me those that go to Uni and then end up either unemployed or in a poorly paid job are the ones that should be targeted as they are clearly the problem area not those who get decent degrees and then go on to get decent jobs and paying their whack in taxes.

Clobber the sociology & psychology wasters not the nurses, teachers etc

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Since when have nurses and teachers been well paid?

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Originally Posted by Bolton Midnight

To me those that go to Uni and then end up either unemployed or in a poorly paid job are the ones that should be targeted as they are clearly the problem area not those who get decent degrees and then go on to get decent jobs and paying their whack in taxes.

Clobber the sociology & psychology wasters not the nurses, teachers etc

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So those who, possibly through the fault of the job market rather than their own, end up jobless after their degree should pay more back than those on an income? How would that work?

Oh, and you could possibly respond to some of the questions put to you.

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

So those who, possibly through the fault of the job market rather than their own, end up jobless after their degree should pay more back than those on an income? How would that work?

Oh, and you could possibly respond to some of the questions put to you.

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Hey, I don't see you owning a health facility. Bolton Midnight obviously knows what he's talking about :laugh:

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Originally Posted by Brown, Jon Brow

I also don't have an issue that people didn't have to pay in the past. The current system is unsustainable. We can't afford to pay for 50% of 18 year old to go to university.

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Exactly. But this isn't the fault of the university system. The problem lies at the A-level stage, which is allowing far too many people to attain the grades allowing them to go to university.

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Originally Posted by Bolton Midnight

No I figured you'd not apologise despite posting complete pish.

If you were paying for these tossers to dick about doing worthless degrees then maybe you'd not be so keen on the idea.

Read this
http://www.factsonfees.com/
perish the thought you might actually learn something about what is being discussed here.

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Ah yes, that unbiased source, as evidenced by the not-so-small print at the bottom: 'Promoted by Alan Mabbutt on behalf of the Conservative Party, both at 30 Millbank, London, SW1P 4DP'.

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

Ah yes, that unbiased source, as evidenced by the not-so-small print at the bottom: 'Promoted by Alan Mabbutt on behalf of the Conservative Party, both at 30 Millbank, London, SW1P 4DP'.

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Ben, why must you be forever the sceptic. It's on a webpage ffs man! Would a webpage lie?

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Originally Posted by Daniel

Ben, why must you be forever the sceptic. It's on a webpage ffs man! Would a webpage lie?

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Who better to explain the changes then those who devised them.

A book, television programme, newspaper, letter etc are less easy to link to on an internet fora

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Originally Posted by Bolton Midnight

Who better to explain the changes then those who devised them.

A book, television programme, newspaper, letter etc are less easy to link to on an internet fora

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Fora is the plural. Forum is singular. That public school education would appear to have been wasted.

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Originally Posted by Bolton Midnight

Who better to explain the changes then those who devised them.

A book, television programme, newspaper, letter etc are less easy to link to on an internet fora

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Yes, but they're hardly going to outline any or all of the negatives of their scheme now are they? Hardly an unbiased source now are they? Eh? Eh? Eh? :)