What a boring race

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Originally Posted by UltimateDanGTR

Am I the only one who thought this race was OK? classic? absolutely not, but i wouldnt say it was a snore fest.

some good battles throughout the field even if the car behind didnt always eventually catch the guy in front

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1. in order for it to be a battle there has to be at least some jousting and none happened.

2. Not one car behind caught the car in front ( save the odd backmarkers or sutil and kubica making their way through them).
Vettel Alonso, Massa or MSC, Button, Webber following each other for long stretches of the race with a varying gap of 1-3 & 1-1.5 seconds respectively cannot be considered battles imo

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Originally Posted by AndyL

The diffusers are only a part of it, and not necessarily the major part. The aerodynamicists reckon that for a given amount of downforce, under-body structures produce a quarter of the turbulence that wings produce. They'd do better to cut downforce by restricting wings. However it's done, if we want to see a lot more overtaking then they need to be cutting downforce by at least a half, probably more. Minor tweaks to diffusers or wings aren't going to do that.

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The problem with cutting downforce is that they will claw it back pretty quickly so changes in aerodynamic rules are never going to be solutions that help for very long. As I said earlier, tires, tires and once more tires. My solution for the next race would be to bring the hardest tire Bridgestone has together with the softest.

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Originally Posted by F1boat

Honestly I enjoyed the race very much, but because Ferrari won. Without Vettel's problems, I would probably have disappointed despite the interesting duel between the German and Alonso.

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Try to look at it objectively. If 9 out of 10 people say it was boring, something has to be done. Even the teams think so.

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Originally Posted by Triumph

I must say that I was a little disappointed by today's race. It just didn't have the air of excitement I was looking forward to.

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Isn't that part of it? This season has been talked about as if it's going to be the greatest for years, and yet we get to Bahrain and we see what we've been watching for years.

For one, I think the tyre rules are poor. Bring a wide range of compounds, and let teams run on whatever the hell they want to.

The rev-limiter idea is also poor.

Refuelling was a bad idea.

As is the engine freeze. Eurgh.

The refuelling ban is fine. They need to make the tyres very different in my opinion, I agree with the idea of bringing a few different compounds and letting the teams do whatever they want with them, which won't make Bridgestone very happy as it'll massively increase the cost.

We also need to get rid of some of the aero on the cars, it should be possible for a car that is actually faster to slipstream and overtake another car. I was amazed that even the McLaren with it's clever/illegal/"against the spirit of the rules" etc rear wing couldn't get anywhere near the other cars down the straight. That's the major problem, and the diffuser ban is a good step in the right direction.

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Originally Posted by christophulus

The refuelling ban is fine. They need to make the tyres very different in my opinion, I agree with the idea of bringing a few different compounds and letting the teams do whatever they want with them, which won't make Bridgestone very happy as it'll massively increase the cost.

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Agreed. I did think the race was boring!
I know they've been going the opposite way in recent times, but I think softening up the tyres will be a good way to go. Get rid of the current tyre rules and have two types of tyre available, one which will last, at most half the race and another, significantly quicker one which will last a third of the race and let teams choose which ones they want.

The idea being then that you'll have some teams two stopping and some one stopping.

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Originally Posted by christophulus

The refuelling ban is fine. They need to make the tyres very different in my opinion, I agree with the idea of bringing a few different compounds and letting the teams do whatever they want with them, which won't make Bridgestone very happy as it'll massively increase the cost.

We also need to get rid of some of the aero on the cars, it should be possible for a car that is actually faster to slipstream and overtake another car. I was amazed that even the McLaren with it's clever/illegal/"against the spirit of the rules" etc rear wing couldn't get anywhere near the other cars down the straight. That's the major problem, and the diffuser ban is a good step in the right direction.

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Completely agree - allow more than 1 tyre supplier.

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Originally Posted by DexDexter

The problem with cutting downforce is that they will claw it back pretty quickly so changes in aerodynamic rules are never going to be solutions that help for very long.

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This would probably never work, but what about the FIA mandating that the cars can only generate xkg of downforce at the most.

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Originally Posted by Mark

This would probably never work, but what about the FIA mandating that the cars can only generate xkg of downforce at the most.

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Pretty difficult to polish. People want aerodynamic changes, but don't care to look back in history. Chassis regulations have been changed numerous times to cut downforce and increase overtaking and it has never really worked and if you think taking off the double diffuser is going to do it, you're in for a surprise. The designers are so clever that the rule makers don't really stand a chance. That's why the changes should be in things the teams cannot "control", tires. Bring two sets of tires where one is too hard and one is too soft and believe me, we'll see action.