And so Eki goes off on yet another totally irrelevant angle that has nothing to do with the Koreas even going back to pre WW2 since his position on the defence of Democratic South Korea is untenable.
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And so Eki goes off on yet another totally irrelevant angle that has nothing to do with the Koreas even going back to pre WW2 since his position on the defence of Democratic South Korea is untenable.
Tito wasn't much of a Communist. No one was forced to live in Yugoslavia and while the state ran a lot, there was a lot of capitalism there too. He also didn't play along with the USSR and their aims, and took a country with many factions and did his own thing. HE wasn't a saint, but he wasn't anti Capitalist or an threat to the west.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eki
Castro? Good lord EKi, he is your hero. He had no interest in befriending the US. THe man didn't allow any dissent, didn't want anyone but a Castro in power, and basically had people willing to die on pieces of driftwood in shark infested waters to get away from his paradise. You want to say something more retarded? Volunteer to live in Cuba as a Cuban does....
Castro had NO intention of getting along with the US. If he did, there was ample opportunity over the years....and one has to only notice how any overtures from the US are often rebuffed. Read 1984 Eki, and learn how Big Brother always has to have a bogey man to keep the population united against someone else other than Big Brother. Castro is Big Brother and the USA has always been his Bogeyman, and you see Chavez playing to the same orchestra in Venezuela.
That's not what I've heard:Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark in Oshawa
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fidel_C...olidates_power
Eisenhower had a window of opportunity but he wasted it. Khrushchev used it.Quote:
Between April 15 and April 26, Castro and a delegation of industrial and international representatives visited the U.S. as guests of the Press Club. Castro hired one of the best public relations firms in the United States for a charm offensive visit by Castro and his recently initiated government. Castro answered impertinent questions jokingly and ate hot dogs and hamburgers. His rumpled fatigues and scruffy beard cut a popular figure easily promoted as an authentic hero.[56] He was refused a meeting with President Eisenhower. After his visit to the United States, he would go on to join forces with the Soviet leader, Nikita Khrushchev.[45]
Very nice selective picking. Too bad you didn't post more of the entry about the suppression of free speech and freedom of the people. Or the seizure of ppty. without compensation and the interference by armed force (invasion) in Africa.
Eki do you SERIOUSLY believe if Eisenhower had met with him he would have had elections and freedom for Cubans to come and go? I was born on a day Eki, not yesterday.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eki
There was ample evidence of what Castro was if you choose to dig to other places besides one part of Wikipedia. No serious historian with both oars in the water would EVER consider Castro a hero bent on democracy and then was so miffed, why he turned the country into a prison camp.
I don't know why bother, you don't want to see the truth, you just want to argue nonsense some days.
Castro was a Marxist from his days in Jesuit High School.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eki
No, but he would have cooperated with the US instead of the Soviet Union. The US have cooperated with right wing military juntas too, so obviously democracy and freedom have not been on top of their list. They also cooperated with Stalin until 1945 and with Saddam until 1989.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark in Oshawa
By the way, the freedom to emigrate is overrated if there is no freedom to immigrate and no place to go. For example, Mexicans have the right to emigrate, but aren't there still illegal Mexican immigrants in the US.
The US Co-operated with the Junta's because they were seen as better alternatives to the Communists, which if you remember your history of the 50's ( and your Korea comments indicated you do not ) THAT was the big fear. Didn't say the US liked them, but as you keep pointing out...in your shrill little comments "the US shouldn't poke their nose into how other nations are run"...and they didn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eki
They co-operated with Stalin because many on the left in the US were spending most of the 30's making excuses for his excesses and he was less a threat than Nazism. As for Saddam, again, less a problem in the 80's than the Iranians....
AS for your assertion the freedom to emigrate is overated if there is no place to go? Answer me this: Why would people putting boats to sea In Haiti to leave (being too poor to leave any other way) to sneak into another country not just scoot the 50 odd miles West to Cuba? No...they take their boats and whatever and go past the Turks and Caico's and Bahamas up to Florida? Gee....That US is such a NASTY place..why would they all go there eh?
The freedom to come and go means your nation isn't a prison camp!!! Even the Chicom's allow their people to come and go to an extent. Cuba? No...the old USSR? No.... Freedom isn't important to you because people died for it and you don't appreciate it. I can bet if the President of Finland told you and others there was no choice but to be stuck in Finland, and then ran the economy right into the toilet while paying you next to nothing, you might grasp the concept.
Cooperated with Stalin yes.
But there was a little something called WW2 going on.
Are you suggesting Eki that the US should have sided with Hitler?
It sure sounds like it.
What has Mexico got to do with anything?
But they can leave if they want to. I am sure Finland would welcome a couple of million with open arms.
The US like all free countries has restrictions on the number of immigrants allowed each year. But desparate people from Cuba and Mexico want into that terrible country the United States and funnily enough into the frozen north Canada.
Have you seen the documentary "The Soviet Story"?
Answer me this: Are they welcomed in Florida?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark in Oshawa
Finland returned those who illegally came from the Soviet Union and we still return those who illegally come from Russia, although they now have the freedom to leave Russia. It's sad, I know, but we can't afford to take everyone who wants to leave Russia.