Stefan GP, to take part in the 2010 ?

like i said somewhere, and i have no evidence for this, but the whole Stefan GP thing just seems fishy to me, something doesn't add up. The mosely organisation didn't want them, but Bernie is all over them (a great reason not to trust them)

i don't know much about the man, or where he got his money, but it wouldn't surprise me much if there was something shady in the past.

i could be completley wrong, it could all be genuine and above board, he could be an upstanding, rich F1 fanatic, if so great, but something about all this leaves me cold and can't put my finger on it - am i the only one?

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Originally Posted by Robinho

am i the only one?

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Clearly not if you read my post directly above yours ;)

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Originally Posted by Robinho

like i said somewhere, and i have no evidence for this, but the whole Stefan GP thing just seems fishy to me, something doesn't add up.

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I agree with you. If you follow football, it's like Portsmouth's owners, three in a year and none of them actually have any money. Same as the ones who took over Notts County. As a result I'm a bit sceptical of anyone turning up out of nowhere with promises of cash.

I get the feeling some people are just skeptical because this is a Serbian outfit. If it was some British bloke named Zack Stevens starting SteveGP the same way, I don't think we'd hear so many doubters... :D

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Originally Posted by Robinho

thats not the story i've seen. Stefan GP have talked to/Signed up with Dallara to help develop their ex Toyota chassis, which has no effect on their contract with Campos to build them a chassis (although i'd argue it does seem like a conflict of interests)

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Well, that's not what these guys are reporting: (it's spanish translated into english, sorry for that) --> http://translate.googleusercontent.c..._FjjCi3ZxIQnyQ
Anyway, we have the autosport link added a few posts above with Campos (and Windsor) insisting they are still on the road to Bahrain, so you might be right :)

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Originally Posted by maximilian

I get the feeling some people are just skeptical because this is a Serbian outfit. If it was some British bloke named Zack Stevens starting SteveGP the same way, I don't think we'd hear so many doubters... :D

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+1! :up: :D
The fact that the guy is Serbian is like 90% of the information we all got from him, so I understand and share your reasoning :)

Bernie does what is best for F1, weighing the financial implications. The question to those who unjustly and in very disgraceful way attack Bernie for being an excellent businessman, what do you want?

Do you want F1 to flourish or suffer and maybe die?
Why do you consider it important that Campos exist in F1?

Stefan F1 have done nothing immoral - they have made a brilliant move iin order to achieve their aims - being a grand prix team. Stefan SAVED jobs. They saved what was the Toyota team.

Stfanovich is like Bernie? Well, God bless him if that is so. There is not anyone in F1 that is more generous and do not forget that it is because of Bernie that many in F1 are extremely wealthy today.

Frank Williams, Murray Walker and Sebastian Vettel - who do they have in commomn besides F1 racing? Bernie. They will all describe his thoughtfulness, generosity and kindness.

Unfortunately one of the things I have noticed is the eagerness that people on this forum have for impuning Bernie - and Max of course. It is no different from the schadenfreude that I saw here when Briatore was the issue of discussion.

So you agree asking for an unrealistic high fee in order to host a grand prix is an outstanding move by Bernie?

And the medal system?

And the CVC thingy?

And outstanding places to run like Bahrein, Abu Dhabi, Turkey or China?

And BTW, if he is such a good businessman, I don´t want to know how good is his ex-wife Slavica...

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Originally Posted by K-Pu

So you agree asking for an unrealistic high fee in order to host a grand prix is an outstanding move by Bernie?

And the medal system?

And the CVC thingy?

And outstanding places to run like Bahrein, Abu Dhabi, Turkey or China?

And BTW, if he is such a good businessman, I don´t want to know how good is his ex-wife Slavica...

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I think the asking price ought to be whatever the market can bear - it is the only way to calculate value. And there is a LIST of countries seeking to hold a grand prix.

I liked the medal system but equally thought that points be awarded as well.

The CVC has nothing to do with me and how can I judge something when I am not privy to all the neccessary details?

I like Sakhir, always have. Yas Marina - at first I did not, but I do now. I do have moral reservations over the above four places, but Bernie has to deal with reality and act rationally. How can he drop the price for the traditional races that have been lost while asking others to pay far more. Silverstone has anted up and so has Canada - if they can, anyone else should have to as well.

For me to state that I know better than the man who created the F1 we know and love as to what is good for F1 in these cases would be a most arrongant and conceited action.

I dont know what you have to complain about - Spain is where all the testing is done, there TWO grands prix each year and THREE Spanish drivers. I'd have thought you would LOVE Bernie!

Strange.

Say it isn't so! :eek:

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Stefan has some kind of a deal with Toyota to run its 2010 car and there is talk of Ralf Schumacher coming back to give the team some substance.

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Source: http://joesaward.wordpress.com/2010/...er-schumacher/

Ralf Schumacher? Now this is getting silly!

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Originally Posted by Dave Brockman

Say it isn't so! :eek:

Source: http://joesaward.wordpress.com/2010/...er-schumacher/

Ralf Schumacher? Now this is getting silly!

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Maybe Zoran Stefanovic thinks he's signing Michael? :p :

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Originally Posted by Robinho

like i said somewhere, and i have no evidence for this, but the whole Stefan GP thing just seems fishy to me, something doesn't add up. The mosely organisation didn't want them, but Bernie is all over them (a great reason not to trust them)

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I think that can be explained by at the time when the FIA were vetting the teams Stefan didn't have a decent package in the Toyota TF110 and the Toyota engine. Having got the remains of the Toyota operation they seem to have some money in place so it isn't really any wonder why Bernie is now pushing this team.