The great debate of healthcare, private or public?

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Originally Posted by Rollo

The Crown is technically a corporation sole, that is, it is a separate legal enitity consisting of one office and one officer. The person who operates both the office and the corporation is the Crown*.
It is the Crown who owns both the NHS and the land and the buildings etc for which the institution sits inside.

Obviously if the Crown operates and owns the NHS, it isn't going to assess itself for land taxes, rates, income tax, payrol tax etc, which every private entity ergo the company which owns a private hospital would be liable for.

So no. The Crown does not have "some magical pile of money somewhere", and not does it need to because the expenses which it would need to pay out of this magical pile of money never exist either.
You've presented a converse error which is a formal fallacy.

People are still paid and buildings are still maintained because these are "real" events arising from "real" circumstances.

*NB: The Crown operates itself. The Monarch is a separate legal person.

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This makes no sence at all. The land costs someone something, be it the Crown or whoever. If it is "government land" there is still a cost involved because it isn't generating income from it's sale, taxes, etc. And in order to put up the buildings and maintain them someone had to pay somebody for the work. Same with maintenence. And in this case apparently the someone is the Crown. So my question still stands: Where does the Crown get it's money from? I'm assuming that the answer is taxes.

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Originally Posted by chuck34

And in order to put up the buildings and maintain them someone had to pay somebody for the work. Same with maintenence. And in this case apparently the someone is the Crown. So my question still stands: Where does the Crown get it's money from? I'm assuming that the answer is taxes.

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For things like maintenance, wages, and putting up the wages, those expenses still exist and are obviously paid for through taxes (that is how the Crown derives its income). This is not, was not and will not be in dispute.

What I have said (now for the third time), is that the land, buildings etc. and the business itself, doesn't have expenses like rent, rates, land taxes, property taxes, payroll taxes etc, because the Crown doesn't charge itself, where as for a privately owned company they would be payable.

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Originally Posted by chuck34

This makes no sence at all. The land costs someone something, be it the Crown or whoever. If it is "government land" there is still a cost involved because it isn't generating income from it's sale, taxes, etc.

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This is only an opportunity cost. The land could just as easily be a public park, town square, or national park and still not generate an income.

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Originally Posted by Rollo

For things like maintenance, wages, and putting up the wages, those expenses still exist and are obviously paid for through taxes (that is how the Crown derives its income). This is not, was not and will not be in dispute.

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So is that normally accounted for when studies are put out on the "costs" of healthcare? Or are taxes not inculded?

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Originally Posted by Rollo

What I have said (now for the third time), is that the land, buildings etc. and the business itself, doesn't have expenses like rent, rates, land taxes, property taxes, payroll taxes etc, because the Crown doesn't charge itself, where as for a privately owned company they would be payable.

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So that is lost income to the government that they WILL make up for in other ways.

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Originally Posted by Rollo

This is only an opportunity cost. The land could just as easily be a public park, town square, or national park and still not generate an income.

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Opportunity costs are still costs. Do you think that parks etc. are free?

Fiero...he hasn't answered that...but the taxpayer does. There is a disconnect on this many have. The sense of entitlement about social programs and healthcare is common. The thing is, we all pay through our taxes, whether it be Brit's for the NHS or myself for my OHIP coverage. We are taxed higher in terms of our overall income to handle this, and you in America pay less in taxes but then have the duty or burden of health incurance or paying the doctor directly.