No, it doesn't make it alright, it just makes it honest and not hypocritical. I have some respect for honesty but no respect for hypocrisy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark in Oshawa
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No, it doesn't make it alright, it just makes it honest and not hypocritical. I have some respect for honesty but no respect for hypocrisy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark in Oshawa
Swedish and Finnish UN troops in Afghanistan have been in three fire fights with the Taliban last week. Now the Swedes have received threats that Swedes will die as a revenge for the Taliban fighters died in those fights. I guess Finland and Sweden won't be safe anymore after putting our noses in the Afghan mess.Quote:
Originally Posted by steve_spackman
Steve, you have a English Cross of St George flying there, zat mean you're a Pom?Quote:
Originally Posted by steve_spackman
I guess you are so would you like to 'splain to our "American-can-do-no-wrong" Canajain friend how your Parliament already a hundred years before was putting limits on Royal prerogatives, and enumerating and codifying Rights?
About time the Finnish troops in Afghanistan did something instead of letting other countries do all the fighting.
Agree, they should have not been there in the first place, and should get out from there soon as possible, cant remember us ever have had any problems with Afganistan.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eki
Then get out of NATO as well. Oh and take away all womens' rights while you are at it since you don't seem to believe in them. :mad:
lol, we are no member of nato, and what comes to womens rights, check your facts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Easy Drifter
How so? I know that our anti-American friend, Jan, has already pointed out that Parliment was putting some restrictions on the King. But that was no where near the limits places on the US government. And every history I've ever read says exactly what Mark points out. That the US Revolution directly sparked the French Revolution, even more restrictions being placed on the UK crown, and maybe a little less directly simmilar things throughout the world. So what do you disagree with?Quote:
Originally Posted by steve_spackman
[quote="Mark in Oshawa"]you Mean Fousto and Anthony? I suspect they either don't care or are ignorant in it I agree BUT there are Americans such as Chuck who are just justifiably proud of their country, as we all are about our nations while giving a good debate and defense.
I can bash Americans in ways they cant always refute since I have spent a lot of time down there and have taken their history and compared it to Canada's experiences and understand the drives that created many of the policies in the US. My point tho is my complete respect for not just the US, but any nation that democratically elects its leadership and holds for the most part the rule of law and a definable constitution with individual rights. The USA was the first nation to really create that and much of the rights we enjoy to day are as a result of the fact the Americans forced the issue. Their revolution spawned the French Revolution, and the very rapid opening up and democratic advances in Westminister and the Commonwealth of nations. They didn't invent freedom, but they gave it a loud voice....[/
Mark, I agree with you to a certain point but the American revolution only gave certain people rights. It wasn't until the civil right movement which wasn't really that long ago that all Americans had a right so to speak. I think this maybe the issue of where people may disagree with you.
Grid Girl. The Constution of the US gave everyone those rights. It just wasn't until Lincoln that blacks were freed from slavery and until the 60's that the courts started actually interpreting the laws laid down properly to give those rights. That is the fault of a dopey electorate who accepted things the way they were, and politicians who were content to keep the status quo. Doesn't change the fact that Jefferson drafted the US Declaration with the line "all men are created equal" ( meaning every human of course..not just men or whites ). Jefferson himself knew the hypocracy of him owning slaves when he wrote it but knew it was going to be a hard slog and a lot of upheaval to really enforce that ( the Civil War...the 60's).Quote:
Originally Posted by GridGirl