As I said, bugger off.Quote:
Originally Posted by philipbain
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As I said, bugger off.Quote:
Originally Posted by philipbain
As I said, bugger off.Quote:
Originally Posted by philipbain
You're free to start your Ferrari bashing thread, just leave us have a grown up discussion, before I lose my manners.
Yam, judging from this members posting history he's never been and never will be a Ferrari fan, his a RD and McLaren fanatic.Quote:
Originally Posted by tamburello
In a strange way all this that can be witnessed now, has been so expected. Already in 2004, during Ferrari's total domination, if I had thought, where would Ferrari be in five years' time, and had known Team MS is going to depart in a few years' time (there were whispers about it already back then), the immediate answer would have been midfield. And now here they are - welcome!
One day the Prancing Horse will be back at the sharp end, but before this major changes have to take place in the team - if and when are they going to happen, is another matter and unknown at the moment. What is puzzling me a bit is that Ferrari - like also BMW - looked like a major force throughout the whole winter testing, which creates question - what went wrong? Were they showboating? Archrival McLaren, who seemed in way bigger trouble, is already showing signs of recovering - not only are they ahead in WCC, but also the pace of the car seems to be at least on par with Ferrari by now. Hard to tell, how much of an improvement may DDD give Ferrari, but I have doubts F60 will become the car to beat in any phase of this season.
The F60 was the first car to be built after the "Dream Team" concepts (the F2007 & F2008 were just developments of the Byrne/Brawn/Todt/Schumacher cars.Quote:
Originally Posted by jens
And that is the problem, and that is why it doesn't bode well for the near future.
The F60 is an under-thought car. There is no apparent design concept to it. Look at the Brawn, the Red Bull...hell, even the Renault & Mclaren are fresh concepts for new regulations.
The F60 isn't. It looks pretty much like an F2008 with a big front wing and a small rear wing...as if the new design team hasn't got it's own thoughts. A design team incapable of fresh thoughts and developing a new concept will never do anything than produce average cars.
It should also be noted that F60 wasnt developed at all during the winter testing. Other cars were changed a lot, new parts coming in all the time, visible changes, but Ferrari didnt seem to get any new parts. I think people within Ferrari were a bit overconfident with the design of the car, but on the other hand, if that was so, why are we having so many reliability issues?Quote:
Originally Posted by tamburello
Cant believe it. Another race...another dissapointing result :(
Does anyone know exactly what happened to Massa's car :?:
Yes - that's the point - after that “dream team” time the team doesn't work on the same way any more.Quote:
Originally Posted by tamburello
With Schumacher as driver whole team was working to him - which made it of course easier – but after that Schumacher retired and Kimi game to the team - were Massa as a first candidate to be as first driver - the car was more suitable for him and Kimi really have some problems with it in the beginning (even if he won the first race) unfortunately Massa was unlucky and the team decided to put everything to Kimi and as we know he was the WDC 2007.
Last year Massa hade his change but the team made too many mistakes and he lost the title with a point.
This year Massa was as "the possible first driver" again - but this time the car doesn't give him any change.. Reason can be that Ferrari develop the car with Kers - that possible was the main mistake, because the aerodynamic is not that good as it would be without the Kers. (I think)
BUT - if Ferrari modify the car to one of the drivers (and not to both) I think they still have a change to the titles.. That’s my opinion.. however whole team have to work to same direction, Massa and Kimi are both very good drivers and maybe it should be more fair if Massa get a change also this year – even if I think Kimi has more to give if he has whole team behind him.. as the last races on the 2007 ..
I'm sure that next race Ferrari take their first points.. If it will be Kimi or Massa I don't know - maybe both.. they also will use the Kers again (however if it will be a race without rain)..
:)
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Originally Posted by 555-04Q2
It looks really psycologically difficult to be a Ferrari Tifoso this year :mark:
Not if you are a real tifoso ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom206wrc