Glock/Toyota paid off to slow on the last lap?[merged]

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Originally Posted by foxystoat

Yes he drove a better final sector than Glock ! just get over it

It only came down to the final corner because of the stewards fixing it for Massa to still be involved on the final race anyway.

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you talk about the stewards fixing it for Massa

Do not forget that if lewis was not in that team that macheats would have been banned from racing this year after spygate.

FIXING IT FOR LEW_SER

It's going to be a LOOOOOONG off-season... ;)

Wow, this must be the first ever rain-gamble that has actually paid off for Toyota. :D Although they got it a bit wrong in the beginning, when Trulli was called in at least a lap too late.

Toyota has also participated in clarifying the WDC winner - should be proud now or what? :p :

By the way, to those who are stunned why Glock lost by 2 secs to Trulli in the last sector - it doesn't matter, because Hamilton finished ahead of Glock by 6 seconds anyway.

I was thinking of opening up a Paranoia Forum, but everyone started questioning my motives...

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Originally Posted by Mickey T

well, i was reading. it just seemed that, instead of a conspiracy theory, the bleeding obvious needed to be stated. Occum's Razor (the hypothesis containing the fewest assumptions will almost certainly be the correct one) and all that.



My bias? Against whom? Against what? i take up a contrary position to you, ergo i am biased? god, what is it with this site and the inability to think before posting? try Occum's Razor again. you're making assumptions other than the obvious one: you're wrong.

I admit it. i am biased. biased against people who don't think before they post.

if you knew glock was setting fast times, you had access to F1's site or some other live timing site, in which case you could see his splits with his team mate. trulli had no interest in slowing down on the last lap, neither did glock.

dry tyres work reasonably in light wet, until they lose temperature (and, of course, until the standing water becomes more prevalent), then you are in a no-win downward spiral. the cooler weather and the standing water and the lower lateral grip levels and lighter brake loads all conspire to drag the tyre temp down and you cannot get it back again.

i suspect this is what happened to toyota as the rain got heavier.



the way hamilton moved for RK left a door ajar for vettel, who did a superb job to take it. a superstar of the future.

and, wow. on the second last lap RK was gambling on a safety car? i know kubica and he's not that stupid. I know Mario Theissen and he's not that stupid, either...

...that leaves one of you.

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I'm stupid for having an open mind on this subject? Some of us know Toyota are stuggling with the new KERS system, maybe information from McLaren on that system is why you pull a move like that, who knows there are many highly feasable reasons as to why and why not (I'm not really suggesting the entire Toyota corp. is getting paid off, there are individuals with lots of power in the sport that could PERHAPS have had a say in things). Like I said if you read what I've been saying I haven't gone on record and said this IS WHAT HAPPENED. Look at the amount of discussion going on, anyone that falls on the conspiracy side is in the minority. It's looking more and more like the opposite actually to me though (not a consiracy) yet I'd love to see Glocks split times to put the nail in the coffin (maybe not all the way though).

It is true that my father (who rarely watches F1) and myself both looked at each other and immediately thought something may be askew with that ending. It was almost too exciting to be true. There is room to make an argument here from either side. We need split times basically.

P.S This razor theory you found out about just says it's usually right. There's a key word there.

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Originally Posted by Mickey T

FFS Markabilly, he was just trying to stay on the road!

he said later he had no idea he was the keystone in the title race, so how that translates into helping hamilton i have no idea.

his lap time was no different to his team mate's and, given nobody else was on dry tyres, he's the only valid comparison.

Toyota didn't make a mistake by leaving him on dry tyres. It might have made him look silly at the end, but Toyota moved up one place because of it and that extra point is worth serious money. It was a very smart move.

Oh, and last point in Kubica unlapping himself: real good thinking, because in a race where he struggled to pass a braking point, he was thinking that in half a lap he could catch and pass Kimi, Alonso and Massa to get back on the lead lap? Please, people, think a bit before posting!

how can so many people look reason and reality in the face and come up with conspiracy?

only possible answer: because you want to.

why? because it's easier than doing what Massa so classily did: sucking it up and losing with dignity.

He is to be applauded. some folks here should be derided. if only the mods would let us...

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Calling for people to be booted in this discussion is just downright low, get over it, there's something to talk about here obviously, you are are aren't you. And lets say there is actually a conspiracy here... are those that believe there is a conspiracy going to think your evidence of 'well Glock didn't know he was the conerstone in the championship' would buy it??? That statement was a small waste of bandwidth... along with the statement to get rid of people from the forum (it's a public forum, you don't like it? Too bad... I personally think calling for a booting is crossing the line so I must voice that, but like I said it's a public forum). You can go ahead and bask in the glory of Hamilton winning and you can applaud him (as Massa has), but to expect everyone will act the same is ridiculous when it's a one point championship. It's already been a highly controversial championship, why can't it be now?

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Originally Posted by bowers

I'm stupid for having an open mind on this subject? Some of us know Toyota are stuggling with the new KERS system, maybe information from McLaren on that system is why you pull a move like that, who knows there are many highly feasable reasons as to why and why not (I'm not really suggesting the entire Toyota corp. is getting paid off, there are individuals with lots of power in the sport that could PERHAPS have had a say in things). Like I said if you read what I've been saying I haven't gone on record and said this IS WHAT HAPPENED. Look at the amount of discussion going on, anyone that falls on the conspiracy side is in the minority. It's looking more and more like the opposite actually to me though (not a consiracy) yet I'd love to see Glocks split times to put the nail in the coffin (maybe not all the way though).

It is true that my father (who rarely watches F1) and myself both looked at each other and immediately thought something may be askew with that ending. It was almost too exciting to be true. There is room to make an argument here from either side. We need split times basically.

P.S This razor theory you found out about just says it's usually right. There's a key word there.

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You should have stopped after the first two words of your post!! :D

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Originally Posted by Easy Drifter

And the CIA shot John F Kennedy.
Good grief. Charlie Brown.

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Let me fix that for you to make it more believable.

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Originally Posted by Easy Drifter

And the FIA shot John F Kennedy.
Good grief. Charlie Brown.

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See my post under the flexible wings thread. ;)

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Originally Posted by Easy Drifter

See my post under the flexible wings thread. ;)

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Mine too!