Mosley wants action to 'save' F1

I disagree. F1 is infinitely more marketable for road car technology. What sounds better? F1 style gearbox? Or touring car style gearbox? You're right that touring car tech is perhaps a little more relevant than f1 tech though.

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Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1

But hasn't it always done that, and in doing so there has been some transfer of race technology to the road? The example I'm thinking of is the turbo, which Renault introduced because the rules didn't prevent them from doing so!! It may have taken BMW to refine the idea into an championship winning engine, but we certainly saw plenty of turbos on our roads, and still do. Then there's the flappy-paddle gearbox which has made its way to some road cars.

Those are two examples which are perhaps more using the "image" associated with F1 than the technology, and I'm sure that technology pioneered in F1 has found its way to our roads in many different ways.

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Maybe I should have added words like '...in a more focused/targeted way than has previously been the case', or something.

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Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1

You can be sure that major manufacturers would not want to be associated with any negative image and would take appropriate action. I don't think Max, by his proposals, is saving them from anything there.

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Doesn't hurt for the FIA boss, given his nominal responsibilities regarding the motor industry, to spell it out, does it? And I actually think that F1 is already in danger of appearing rather vulgar to many non-enthusiasts, so maybe the major manufacturers aren't acting quickly enough. Still, the same can be said for those in charge of F1.

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Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1

But hasn't it always done that, and in doing so there has been some transfer of race technology to the road? The example I'm thinking of is the turbo, which Renault introduced because the rules didn't prevent them from doing so!! It may have taken BMW to refine the idea into an championship winning engine, but we certainly saw plenty of turbos on our roads, and still do. T

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Turbo chargers were not F1/race technology transferred to road car, rather the other way around.

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Originally Posted by ioan

Turbo chargers were not F1/race technology transferred to road car, rather the other way around.

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In fact, it's more true to say that turbochargers had nothing to do with cars at all when they were first developed. But you are right that turbo cars had existed before Renault entered F1.

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Originally Posted by Daniel

I disagree. F1 is infinitely more marketable for road car technology. What sounds better? F1 style gearbox? Or touring car style gearbox?

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True, but isn't that because F1 is seen as being unattainable and unique to Joe Public. Sticking a turbo badge to your Fiat Panda in the 80's was an image thing, not a technology thing :p

Making F1 less unattainable and less unique, as Max appears to want, may get the worst of all worlds. Less attractive to manufacturers as participants, so less application to road cars, so less interest from Joe Public...

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

In fact, it's more true to say that turbochargers had nothing to do with cars at all when they were first developed. But you are right that turbo cars had existed before Renault entered F1.

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Yep, it was first boats and trains! Than the first "car" with turbo charger was a truck.

Aircraft too. The idea that F1 brought us turbo's is funny :p

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Originally Posted by BDunnell

In fact, it's more true to say that turbochargers had nothing to do with cars at all when they were first developed. But you are right that turbo cars had existed before Renault entered F1.

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Originally Posted by ioan

Yep, it was first boats and trains! Than the first "car" with turbo charger was a truck.

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But wouldn't it be right to say that turbos reached a wider audience, and use, once they had been seen in F1, particularly in relation to road car use?

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Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1

But wouldn't it be right to say that turbos reached a wider audience, and use, once they had been seen in F1, particularly in relation to road car use?

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Possibly, but they have still been something of a niche development, except perhaps when mated to a diesel engine. I would have thought that F1 ought to be able to do a bit better than that and bring about more fundamental developments if Max's hope is to become reality. Personally, I have my doubts about this, but I'm no engineer or scientist.

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Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1

But wouldn't it be right to say that turbos reached a wider audience, and use, once they had been seen in F1, particularly in relation to road car use?

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I don't think so.
IMO the use of turbos on Porsche's race car in the 70's had a bigger influence.
And still they are widely used only on diesel road cars, for good reason though.