Kovy should've won the race?

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Amazing website for reviewing races :)

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Originally Posted by Valve Bounce

Did you follow the race on Live Timing at the same time as the ITV telecast? After the so called unscheduled pit stop (why was there a pit stop, one may ask) the race was virtually over and Lewis was on fresh tyres, or didn't you take that into consideration?

Vettel qualified better, he raced better and he won. End of Story!!

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OK, one thing we both agree on is Vettel qualified better and won.

They both raced very well and Vettel throughly deserved the win.

As for the rest of you assumptions about timings, they are innacurate.

Vettel stopped on lap 18. The gap was +40 sec.

Hamilton battled back and was 1 second behind on lap 26 with them both to make a stop.

Lewis pits and comes out 33 seconds on Lap 28 and gets the gap down to 30 seconds.

However, this is where the predicted rain never materialises and both drivers tear up their wets.

They both pit on Lap 36 with Lewis coming out 34 seconds behind SV.

This is the "so called unscheduled" stop where Lewis was on the wets and had no option but to take on Inters.

All I was saying was that if the rain had of come in around lap 30 as predicted, Lewis would have been right up the pipe of SV at worse after his stop on lap 36.

Is that a bit clearer.

(Thanks wedge. Superb site and just what I was looking for)

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Originally Posted by PolePosition_1

Knock On - you should also check out http://www.visionf1.com/

Amazing website for reviewing races :)

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That is excellent. I bumped it up to 64X and laughed my tits off :D

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Originally Posted by Knock-on

That is excellent. I bumped it up to 64X and laughed my tits off :D

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:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Knock-on

OK, one thing we both agree on is Vettel qualified better and won.

They both raced very well and Vettel throughly deserved the win.

As for the rest of you assumptions about timings, they are innacurate.

Vettel stopped on lap 18. The gap was +40 sec.

Hamilton battled back and was 1 second behind on lap 26 with them both to make a stop.

Lewis pits and comes out 33 seconds on Lap 28 and gets the gap down to 30 seconds.

However, this is where the predicted rain never materialises and both drivers tear up their wets.

They both pit on Lap 36 with Lewis coming out 34 seconds behind SV.

This is the "so called unscheduled" stop where Lewis was on the wets and had no option but to take on Inters.

All I was saying was that if the rain had of come in around lap 30 as predicted, Lewis would have been right up the pipe of SV at worse after his stop on lap 36.

Is that a bit clearer.

(Thanks wedge. Superb site and just what I was looking for)

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Yeah I agree, looking at the facts, Hamilton would without a doubt have been near Vettel. I'm just pouring scorn on the fact that some people are saying Hamilton would have won the race hands down if not for his second stop. Its just simply not the case. Vettel did have real true fast pace. And with that taken into account, we shouldn't be too harsh on Heikki.

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Originally Posted by PolePosition_1

Yeah I agree, looking at the facts, Hamilton would without a doubt have been near Vettel. I'm just pouring scorn on the fact that some people are saying Hamilton would have won the race hands down if not for his second stop. Its just simply not the case. Vettel did have real true fast pace. And with that taken into account, we shouldn't be too harsh on Heikki.

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What I don't understand is that the McLaren could be driven faster as demonstrated by Lewis.

I like HK but he needs to step up to the plate a bit more.

As for Lewis, I don't think you could say that he definatly would have won. However, he would have been close and in the wet conditions, I would have put money on him doing it. From a dismal start to the weekend, he came on strong and if it had of rained as predicted, I think there was a better than even chance he would have won it.

As it was, it didn't rain and he didn't win, SV did and deserved to and HK could have done more with the car under him IMHO.

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Originally Posted by PolePosition_1

My point is Jjanicke, once Vettel had done his first stop, so Hamilton and Vettel BOTH had just 1 stop to make. Hamilton was 1.5s behind Vettel, both had 1 stop to make. Lewis's pitstops during the race were costing 30s.

Lewis finished 30s behind Vettel at the end of the race. And we all know Hamilton pushed like a mad-man over the second half of the race, so we can be sure that was his ultimate pace. So even if he didn't have to make that second stop, its absolutely no garantuee he'd have won. By timings alone, if we exclude his second stop, he'd have finished pretty much with Vettel. But was Vettel pushing it to the max? Fact he wasn't pressured heavily suggests he had more speed. Plus we also have to take into account Hamilton trying to overtake Vettel.

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Poleposition I agree with everything you say. I'm not saying Lewis would have won, only that he had a very good chance of doing so if he had not had to stop again. For sure second was in his sights, which is a lot better than what Kimi, Massa and (in relation to where he started) Kovi did.

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Originally Posted by tamburello

Erm, it wasn't raining at the end of the 1st stint, which is when Kimi was catching Hamilton.

In other words, when the track conditions began to favour the Ferrari, finally allowing it to get some heat in the tyres, the Ferrari started to be the quickest thing on the circuit.

But when the rain came down at the start, Kimi was not "right on Hamilton's tail".

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Perhaps it wasn't raining, but the track was still very wet. However Lewis and Kimi did not use the same tire type for the second stint, and that's when Kimi couldn't keep pace. All I am saying is you can't use Silverstone as a clear indication of wet weather performance of the Mac vs the Ferrari. They went with different tires.

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Originally Posted by jjanicke

Poleposition I agree with everything you say. I'm not saying Lewis would have won, only that he had a very good chance of doing so if he had not had to stop again. For sure second was in his sights, which is a lot better than what Kimi, Massa and (in relation to where he started) Kovi did.

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Spot on.

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Originally Posted by Knock-on

OK, one thing we both agree on is Vettel qualified better and won.

They both raced very well and Vettel throughly deserved the win.

As for the rest of you assumptions about timings, they are innacurate.

Vettel stopped on lap 18. The gap was +40 sec.

Hamilton battled back and was 1 second behind on lap 26 with them both to make a stop.

Lewis pits and comes out 33 seconds on Lap 28 and gets the gap down to 30 seconds.

However, this is where the predicted rain never materialises and both drivers tear up their wets.

They both pit on Lap 36 with Lewis coming out 34 seconds behind SV.

This is the "so called unscheduled" stop where Lewis was on the wets and had no option but to take on Inters.

All I was saying was that if the rain had of come in around lap 30 as predicted, Lewis would have been right up the pipe of SV at worse after his stop on lap 36.

Is that a bit clearer.

(Thanks wedge. Superb site and just what I was looking for)

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OK, I concede I was wrong and Lewis Hamilton should have won. Happy??


I have a ticket to the Grand Final in front of the corporate boxes, and I couldn't give a damn about who wooda shooda kooda won at Monza.