It's time to screw Russia over

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Originally Posted by gadjo_dilo

I know but when you keep talking about your intellectual level you act as if you are one of them. Isn't your nose too high?

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I didn't mention my intellectual level, I just said I could have earned lots of money in Romania too. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by gadjo_dilo

Now, no offence, but you suffer of provincial frustration. I hate guys like you who come back and everything is stinking for them.

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Not everything, but most of the things. As for hating people who despise a rotten society, you are free to do it, if you like the said society.
I was disgusted last week by those whom I elected 4 years ago (well I always did my duty as a citizen, even if I was not in Romania). DO you thin k I should like the way they are doing things?!

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Originally Posted by gadjo_dilo

The "society "should be your family and friends, you grew with them, they should be like you.

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Not at all, society is the whole of the people who make up the entity that you have social interactions with. That includes, the bus driver, the girl that sells you the bread, the milk and so on, the policeman, the teachers from your child's school and so on.

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Originally Posted by PolePosition_1

I live in the UK :) .

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Alright.

I'm not saying you haven't studied Russia before this Georgia incident ( which I unfortunately feel ;) ) but it's different than sharing a borderline with them and having to eat e they are offering monthly basis.

When Putin was made a tzar, things really got ****ed up :mark:

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Originally Posted by ioan

Armed conflict? Who said we have to go to war with them?! I'm in no way advocating for WWIII.

What I meant to say is that the western powers should realize that every time that Russia does a "Georgia" or "Tchetchenia" we should not only condemn them because they don't even care about it.
We need to punish them. Throw them out of the G8, move the Winter Olympic Games to another place than Soci, suspend the right for Russian companies to operate outside of Russia. There is a need to show them that we are not afraid even if it's not the case.

And if someone thinks that such measures would trigger a nuclear war, than they are completely wrong. Russian leaders aren't stupid, they aren't working to get fantastically rich just to destroy everything with a war they know they can't win (GB, France or Germany, any of them can win a war against Russia anytime, not to mention USA).

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I agree with you when you put it like that.

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Originally Posted by gadjo_dilo

To pick up the right leader you need a base of selection. Good people aren't interested in politics.

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I think that's a bit offensive to the many good people who are involved in politics, including many friends of mine.

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Originally Posted by ioan

I think you are completely misunderstanding what I posted.
Just because they had and have people who produced some of the most exceptional cultural bits, it doesn't mean that there are no people with low level or no culture at all, people who in this case are supporting a regime that is harmful for their citizens and for the rest of the world.

That's all, I never said that Russians or any other nation, shouldn't be praised for their cultural achievements. So please do not twist my words.

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I wasn't twisting your words, but misunderstanding them. There is a big difference. I apologise, though.

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Originally Posted by Drew

And then manage to decrease petrol and gas prices, by forcing the Russians to sell at a lower price? Interesting idea, if that's what you were meaning.

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It could be one consequence. What I was really meaning was that none of the countries in your list have such close and significant economic ties with the West as does Russia through its natural resources. Thus, economic sanctions directed at Russia would have a greater impact.

Talking about good leaders, who do you think that will be Georgias next president after Saakashvili resigns?

Interesting topic, but I want to remind people that everything began when USA approved Kosovo's independence. It created a precedent and South Ossetia and Abhazia decided to use it.
Then Saakashvili, who is a pro-western dictator and not a true democrat was foolish enough to attack the Empire.
And the Empire striked back.
It has the reason - to protect Russian citizens in South Ossetia againts the Georgian aggression.
It had the precedent - Kosovo.
And technically it is right. After all the USA did, theu have little or no right to talk about South Ossetia and Abhazia.
About Georgia, it made the mistake made by Slobo - removed Abhazia and Ossetia's autonomy (spelling) and the results are logically similar. The situation is obviously the same as Kosovo, or as Tibet.
Kosovo was supported as independent state.
Chinese were blamed for oppressing Tibet.
Georgians is supported in their desire to opress Ossetians.
A perfect trap, set by the Empire, and they used it well.
So the West seems illogical and weak. Its actions against the Empire should be less unconvincing talk and more action - not military, God forbid, but find the way to make oil cheaper and you have your solution.
BTW, in this war the only true losers were the poor people from Ossetia and Georgia, who was murdered. They were completely innocent, just caught in complex geopolitical games.
While worldwide politics showed that they suck big time.

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Originally Posted by F1boat

Interesting topic, but I want to remind people that everything began when USA approved Kosovo's independence. It created a precedent and South Ossetia and Abhazia decided to use it.

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I think it's also true to say that Germany created a precedent when it recognised the independence of Slovenia and Croatia in 1991, possibly rather too soon in the eyes of some.

I was too young back then, I don't remember ;)