petty bickering about a racing incident that happened 10 years ago thread

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Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1

It would appear that your argument is with the inconsistency of FIA officials.

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Isn't everyones?

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Originally Posted by tamburello

Because the 1994 car was designed in the summer of 1993, before the ban on driver aids. All the regulations requested were that such driver aids were not used.

That is the reason why the systems were found in the hardware of several teams.

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Sorry Tamburello but the announcement was mad in Jan 03 I think over a year before the ban.

The simplist explanation is sometimes the best. Benetton had LC (and probably TC as well but this will never be proved).

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Originally Posted by tamburello

No it wouldn't. Having itunes on your computer doesn't interfere with Microsoft Word.



If it was integrated, then it doesn't need a seperate box. You don't need a seperate box for the Excel program, or any other computer program.

All it would have needed are sensors, which can be used to monitor other things as well (driveshaft speed, hub speed....all vital telemetry for selecting the correct gear ratios), thereby having dual-purposes and not having additional weight added to them for the job of launch or traction control.



Really?

I'd never have guessed.

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Yes but having itunes would interfer with the registry of a computer - which is the commands a computer runs off, including Microsoft Word. We can go into this if you want, but I work in IT, I'm not making this up.

And all due respect, but unless your in that field I highly doubt your 100% familiar with the system.

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Originally Posted by tamburello

Remind me again, which of those five seasons when Michael won the WDC in a Ferrari was another driver leading the championship by 20-odd points before being banned for two races?

It was none, wasn't it?

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You complained Hill was only in running for championship because he won when there was no competition.

Well Schumacher won when there was no competition in several seasons.

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Originally Posted by tamburello

Because it was illegal? Seems a perfectly good reason not to use it.



And neither were proven to have been used, thereby Benetton were conforming to the regulations that stated that they should not be used.

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As stated by Knock On, regulations were announced before 1994 cars had started being designed.

So my original question still stands.

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Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1

It just seemed such an injustice, and that the wrong man won.

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We have a different opinion, but IMO a WDC reflects performance over the full season, not just a single race, so therefore I'd say in that year MS deserved the title more and should have clinched it already before Australian GP.

And about British GP 1994, which also seems to create some heat. The pass on the warm-up lap was indeed completely unnecessary, but I personally don't think we should bash MS for ignoring black flag.

Let's recall. MS made his stop & go penalty just a lap (?) after the three-lap penalty implementation limit. During those 3 laps Benetton team members were having a heated debate with marshals (in hope of escaping penalty?) and they continued doing it after MS had served the penalty (in hope of keeping second place even if MS served the penalty a bit too late?). Therefore I think Michael was asked by the team to stay out and keep racing with the hope of escaping penalty (if you go into the garage, there won't be any hope to keep result with the help of protest). So I think it was harsh to punish MS for ignoring black flag with a 2-race-ban.

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Originally Posted by jens

IMO a WDC reflects performance over the full season, not just a single race.

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I'd agree with that, and on that basis MS's performances did deserve the WDC. It just that, given everything that had happened at Williams ("my" team) in 1994, and the way that they and Damon Hill responded, meant that he was equally deserving of a WDC IMHO.

His response to Senna's death, and the way he picked the team up was reminiscent of his father's 1968 title win. This was someone who was thrust into a position, as a 2nd year F1 driver, that he probably wasn't ready for and yet he carried himself with enormous dignity and class under enormous pressure, and against one of the best drivers the sport has seen.

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Originally Posted by Knock-on

Sorry Tamburello but the announcement was mad in Jan 03 I think over a year before the ban.

The simplist explanation is sometimes the best. Benetton had LC (and probably TC as well but this will never be proved).

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The ban on Driver aids were not announced in January 1993.

"If the action on-track was disappointing, off-track the political recriminations were reaching fever pitch. FIA President Max Mosley made his objections to traction control and active suspension explicitly clear when, at the Canadian Grand Prix, he declared the team’s interpretation of the rules to be illegal and promised to ban the technology"

http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/f1-inform...enna-the-hero/

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Originally Posted by PolePosition_1

As stated by Knock On, regulations were announced before 1994 cars had started being designed.

So my original question still stands.

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No it wasn't, so my original answer still stands.

what a stubit thread!!!