Now that I think about it, this schedule does show Tony George's one undeniable trait: Getting fans to gleefully accept mediocrity and agressively defending it.
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Now that I think about it, this schedule does show Tony George's one undeniable trait: Getting fans to gleefully accept mediocrity and agressively defending it.
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Originally Posted by MDS
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GMAB. This schedule (put together on the fly pretty much at last minute due to CCWS going BK) is 10x stronger and more diverse than anything CC offered the last 4 or 5 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by MDS
Put that in yer pipe & smoke it.
Well not sure why they had to drop Nashville. Homestead or Sonoma would've been my first choices (assuming Motegi can't be dropped).
The schedule is getting ridiculous with the number of street festivals. It's starting to look like Champ Car with ovals. :rolleyes: I know they're trying to play it off as a "merger" but that doesn't mean we should take all their crappy races, especially if it means sacrificing perfectly good races at places like Nashville who have been incredibly loyal to this series. Not to mention it's a non-ISC oval which are hard to come by. They would rather stay at a horrible ISC track like Homestead that doesn't promote at all. Makes no sense.
Essentially, the IRL just destroyed their fanbase and support in the Nashville area in favor of Torontonians that know nothing about racing and just want a street party to attend for a couple days. This Champ Car philosophy is NOT the way to go. REAL fans (and tracks) should come before street parades that only attract weekenders with no interest in the series or racing at all.
The first half of the schedule looks good anyway. But I'll probably lose interest along the way since the second half contains the majority of the horrible tracks.
Overall though it's not too bad. About what I expected and no major differences. You can tell they're trying to free up dates for places like Cleveland and Road America for 2010 so that's promising. Hopefully those places can put together viable financial plans to make events work. Though I'm sure the fanatics will find some way to blame it on TG if they can't.
I always think it's funny when people think tracks like California and Michigan actually have a chance at ever hosting open-wheelers again.Quote:
Originally Posted by MDS
Time to stop living in the past.
Richmond and Iowa want the IRL, California and Michigan do not. It's pretty simple.
Well I wouldn't call Toronto just some "street festival". The race has a 20 year history. I think that's enough to classify as tradition. The same goes for Long Beach.
I agree completely tht toronto is not a street festival and it certainly has a rich history. When I say there are too many street races I am refering to Detroit. My point is if you are going to have a race in michigan have it at a great track , mis.I understand also there isn't much chance of getting it back but Detroit is still a lousy substitute. If it must be a race to satisfy road race fans(I am one and I loved Champcar) there are much better locations then Detroit. Furthermore I love the fact Toronto is on the list and I just might plan a vacation there next year to coincide with the race.
david
We don't know if a Nashville dropped the IRL or the IRL dropped Nashville, granted, one of the country's BEST sports towns.
It just means the IRL and Dover Downs couldn't strike a bargain. Same with other venues that aren't on the schedule.
Actually we do know that the IRL dropped Nashville. I might've heard wrong, but I'm pretty sure there weren't even any talks between the IRL and Dover. Why do you think there was so much anti-IRL sentiment in the Nashville press? I don't think they would be mad at the IRL if it was Dover that couldn't put together a good plan. That same press has supported and defended this series for years and in return they get the door slammed on them. Not the best way to make fans. NASCAR will completely take over that market now with no competition in town.Quote:
Originally Posted by indycool
As for Toronto, I don't have anything against the race I think it is one of the better street races, however I don't like the idea of dropping a perfectly good race like Nashville for it. Homestead or Sonoma or Motegi or Belle Isle, etc, fine. But what was wrong with Nashville? It was a well supported race on a decent non-ICS track.
And we have way too many street races already. I think they should've either dropped Edmonton for it, or Belle Isle, or atleast decide not to take the trek halfway around the world to Australia to be a support series. I would hate to see St. Pete dropped as it is my local race, but I wouldn't be completely against it either if it meant more road courses or good ovals instead of another giant street party that happens to have cars driving around during it.
Just the thing, Helix: WE DON'T KNOW.
Did Dover offer or agree to an acceptable sanctioning fee? Did Dover make enough money on the race to agree to the IRL's demands of a sanctioning fee? Did NASCAR pull strings to handcuff Nashville on an IRL date? Did IRL handcuff itself into a date Nashville couldn't live with?
WE DON'T KNOW why they couldn't strike a bargain.