Max Mosley opens a can of worms.

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Originally Posted by Bagwan

I didn't ask the question about whether the MI5 set Mosely up . They were already being asked that question by the press , as it's a logical possibility . That's why they quickly made a statement denying involvement .

They were forced to fire the man . That's how serious it was to have him married to this woman involved in this sting .

As to why MI5 would bother Mosely , it does bring up a potential can of worms , as others might be involved .

If you are not worried that the screening process used by British secret service is either incapable of finding this info out , or that they knew but turned a blind eye to the wife of an agent being involved in illegal activities , then that's great .
Perhaps you feel that one's private life has , or should have nothing to do with whether they are capable of performing duties for which you are paying .

I find your Kevin Bacon comment a poor attempt to try to discredit my point and would suggest you leave this kind of condescending quip out of this debate , as it is inflamatory , and does not befit one in a moderator's seat .

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Fully agree.
It isn't as simple as some people are trying to make it look.

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Originally Posted by Knock-on

As it is, the damage that has been done to the organisation will have serious ramifications that will last for some time to come.

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And I think Bernie's lastest comments merely pull that into much sharper focus.

It has generally been assumed that Max 'n' Bernie have effectively run F1 since the early 1980's. Max had the legal background to help Bernie's FOCA in the "war" with FISA. As Bernie established commercial control over the sport, Max then headed the rules side of things by becoming FISA (the sporting arm of the FIA) President in 1991. He then combined FISA with the FIA and became overall President.

For Bernie to now say of Max's letter "I sincerely hope that it isn't a declaration of war because, if that's what the message should be, then we'll have to defend ourselves" is unprecedented and has serious implications for Max and F1, let alone motorsport and the FIA.

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Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1

It seems as if Max has opened a seriously big can of worms with his letter, because Bernie has responded.


http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/67590
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/spo...cle3972611.ece

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Bernie is afraid of losing his cash cow, he got where he is because Max was open to help him up until now.

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Originally Posted by ArrowsFA1

And I think Bernie's lastest comments merely pull that into much sharper focus.

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Yeah, he tries to tun the attention away from the F1 commercial rights back to Max's private life, Bernie the little poisonous dwarf who only cares for money even though he has more than he could ever spend.

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Originally Posted by ioan

It isn't as simple as some people are trying to make it look.

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One of the few simple things about this situation is the obvious (except to Max) solution.

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Originally Posted by ioan

Bernie is afraid of losing his cash cow, he got where he is because Max was open to help him up until now.

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Really? I'd be interested to know what you base this on.

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Originally Posted by ioan

Yeah, he tries to tun the attention away from the F1 commercial rights back to Max's private life...

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Well that is where this mess began. It is Max who, with his letter, is trying to make it about something else.

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Originally Posted by janneppi

Am I right assuming you aware of the six degrees of Kevin Bacon game?

It was not mean as neither inflamatrory, nor condesending and I'm rather disappointed in you if you see it as such.

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You assume incorrectly .
But , you may be disappointed in me if you wish .

You dismissed a portion of my post because you are a Finn . Had this happened in Finland , what would be your reaction ?

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Originally Posted by Valve Bounce

I totally agree with this. I have said many times before that the mods do a great job here, and I see absolutely no reason why they cannot and/or should not enjoy this forum the same as everyone else with some light hearted quips.

Sorry Baggy!! but I stand by our mods on this one, mate!!

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Originally Posted by ioan

Fully agree.
It isn't as simple as some people are trying to make it look.

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In what way? I reckon this part of the whole matter, i.e. the alleged involvement of the MI5 officer's wife, is perfectly simple - it really doesn't matter, and isn't important.

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Originally Posted by PSfan

From what I've read, the person in question wasn't fired, but resigned.

I've also read where it is suggested that it was his wife that "organised" the pictures and videos for news of the world. So therefor its easy to assume that her husband had given her a hand with it, seeing as he was part of a servailence team. He may have been off duty at the time, but they may have been using MI5 equipment to get the video and pictures.



I wouldn't decribe it as ludicrous that the MI5 could take an interest in Max's affairs. He has a very "global" career, and may unwittingly give terrorist access to the uk

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True enough, but it would be astonishingly stupid for MI5 to think that it could get away with the 'sting' without it becoming public, because, as I said, the tabloids always try to find and speak to the prostitutes involved in such cases. And I don't find it that easy to assume that the woman's husband could have 'given her a hand' with the surveillance. It is easier to assume that he knew nothing about it, but I am willing to be proved wrong.

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Originally Posted by Knock-on

OK, lets look at facts and apply some reasoned deduction to the situation.

It may be that Max was subject to an elaborate sting from MI5, Bernie Ecclestone, Ron Dennis or the Moonies. However, it's a bit far fetched but I suppose there is a chance that the moon landings are indeed an elaborate hoax as well. I should imagine that people disposed to believe in conspiracy theories will readily believe that this is some sort of govermental stitch up because of who Max's father was :laugh:

What is more likely is that Max likes a bit of S&M and probably gets off on German role play, dictatorship sex games. Quite unpallatable but some people like that.

What is also likely is that someone saw an opportunity to make a bit of money by selling this story to the NotW. Happens every day and nothing strange there. The public love a bit of controvacy and Max is an easy target because of the past and present.

What is also logical is that the partner of a MI5 employee was either with his knowledge, or more likely, without, involved in this mess. It's something that goes on.

Lastly, it is reasonable to assume that once this was known, MI5 called the man in and asked what the hell was going on. His wife's actions have caused MI5 to be called to question and the man was probably "encouraged" to do the right thing.

This all seems quite obvious and although gossip mongers would like some sinister campaign to believe in, the most logical answer is usually the correct one.

The only thing that I find incredible is that Max didn't do the same as the MI5 officer and step aside to avoid bringing the FIA into disrepute. As it is, the damage that has been done to the organisation will have serious ramifications that will last for some time to come.

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I couldn't agree more, and find the suggestions that Bernie organised the whole thing with the help of his chums in high places in the British establishment lacking in credence.

If it was a plot against Max, it must have been a crap one, given the ease with which some people here have been able to work it out. I suspect the reality of such things is a bit more complex, and that those who think they have deduced this one wouldn't go very far in the intelligence services...