Independence

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Originally Posted by Mark

Of course 2,000 years ago it wasn't Romanian at all but Latin.

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Give me a break. He said " lots of words " and he's right. Some of the words are of dacian origin and it means we used them long before the roman conquest. Then it's a fact that romanian language evolved from balkanic latin and of course there are lots of latin words.

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Originally Posted by Mark

Interesting. Romanian is generally regarded as a 'Romance' language in the same way as French, Italian etc, of course these languages diverge by taking on aspects of other languages and dialects spoken in the local area..

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They say it's the closest to latin from all these languages. But why do you find that interesting? I think you should know by now that we are stubborn people and diferent incursions couldn't change us . :laugh:

Aren't we supposed to talk about Kosovo?

The thread is for discussion of independence of any country, not just Kosovo :)

Great. Then who's next?

Scotland possibly!

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Originally Posted by gadjo_dilo

I raise my hands up and admit that if there ever were Baltic Wars in 1912 I missed that lesson ( disliked the modern and contemporary history lessons ).

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Balkan_War
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Balkan_War

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Originally Posted by ioan

I'll even go as far as telling you that we, Romanians, existed hundreds of years before the Ottoman Empire was created!
As for the first time when Romania was created as independent state that united all 3 provinces that were inhabited by Romanian speaking population I'll refer you to year 1600 and Mihai Viteazul (Michael the Brave).

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What? Transyvania, Wallchia and Moldavia? I know about this. Romania as a "nation-state" for want of a better word didn't exist until 1859 when Cuza was made Domnitor.
How far back would you like to go? Dacia? The Getae? The Vlachs?

The point with all of this, is that the Albanian peoples of Kosovo have existed there for longer than half of the nations of Europe anyway. For then to get independence should they demand it, is probably reasonable.

I'd prefer Northern Ireland. Just imagine when UK of GB and NI will miss a piece in its title. The last colonies will claim also independence.

All hail King Danny I of the Kingdom of Lovely!

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Originally Posted by Rollo

What? Transyvania, Wallchia and Moldavia? I know about this. Romania as a "nation-state" for want of a better word didn't exist until 1859 when Cuza was made Domnitor.
How far back would you like to go? Dacia? The Getae? The Vlachs?

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It was one single state back whenit was called Dacia, and it was one single state in 1600, although only for a short period of time.

And yes I will go back as much as needed if there is proof for what I say, it's called history. Obviously you aren't as keen on doing it as it doesn't support your POV.

But what is the sue of being independent while we are all part of the EU?
Autonomy is all you need if you want to govern yourself and pay less taxes.
All these independences are bound to fragment the world and eventually get us back to inter-tribal petty wars.
I'm not sure I see why this should happen.

Call me cynical but I believe that the only thing that will change is that there will be many more governments composed of power hungry people.
These governments will be more difficult to get to agree on something ( a bit like F1 team nowadays) because each will want to get his fairer share of the cake.
I see all this like a huge step back to pre WWII standards.

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Originally Posted by Mark

BTW for those interested in the history of countries in Europe this site is excellent http://www.euratlas.com/summary.htm It shows a map for every 100 years from the year 0. It's fascinating to see how different it was even in 1900.

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I bet the BNP don't link to that website :p :